[Solved! Sort of] There is a Vram/memory leak, or is there? Possible Solution for Random Crashes!

[PrinceVinc]

SOLUTION:
Not 100% Sure yet but!

Crashes where not caused by memory leak but by !MY! XMP Ram Profile in the BIOS and Undervolted CPU (which I found out before)

(which caused BSOD, while the XMP caused Crash to Desktop)

after I disabled it my Ram Speed is now 1333 instead of 2400 but now I played for 7 Hours straight (no Pauses or Closing the Game!) with no Crash and the next day for 3 Hours with still no Crash.

And yes, I used memtest but that did not find any errors in my RAM at 2400

It's the weirdest thing that THAT was the "issue", but I hope someone tries this and has success!
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GTX1080 + i7-4790k + 16GB Ram

So I currently try to investigate why my game crashes inconsistently.
Meaning at one time I play for 3 Hours with no Crash, the next day after 1 Hour and at that time I immediately restarted the game only to crash again after 12 Minutes.

I was doing Quests in the same region the whole time.

So when I have TRAM set to Highest (no 4k Assets!), I can fill up my Vram by just going in the Character Menu to 8000MB it will barely release any Vram whatsoever.

On TRAM High it actually fluctuates heavily not reaching 8GB, but pretty close still, despite me going in and out of menu. It looks like it releases up to 500-600MB seemingly random.

https://youtu.be/QwkFFspDW9Q So here is the Video where I show my experiment with all my settings.

Also just a random question, is it normal that Ignis has slightly more Exp than the other two?
No one died during battle either so if you could be so kind as to enlighten me xD
It trips me really hard how that happened...not as bad as the crashing but still my OCD kicks in.

[Mogletmox]

if it is releasing memory then no it isnt a leak

and if you want tram set to highest expect the memory usage to go thrrough the roof
that isnt a leak its just resource intensive ,


if set to " high" and it is releasing memory ,well there you go (it is not a leak)
keep it set to high as your hardware isnt suited for "highest" setting + Nvidia graphics options


i will point out not everyone has weird memory usage
mainly those with 32gb ram/large pagefiles set up


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Moglet

[PrinceVinc]

Originally posted by Mogletmox:

i will point out not everyone has weird memory usage
mainly those with 32gb ram/large pagefiles set up


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Moglet

Can you elaborate on the pagefile?

I have 5 Drives the SSD the game is on I set Pagefile to 16-32000, on OS SSD I set pagefile to System Managed and on one HDD that is mostly inactive I set a pagefile of 32000-32000

The HDD Steam is on has no Pagefile at all.

Is it important where the pagefile is? xD

Before I started Crashing the only pagefile I had was the OS SSD one, after searching the www I stumbled upon Pagefile, but haven't tested if it resolves my issue.

Also, also my RAM is around 70% Gigs used while playing and to my understanding Pagefile get's only used when the RAM is full?

[Mogletmox]

Originally posted by PrinceVinc:

Originally posted by Mogletmox:

i will point out not everyone has weird memory usage
mainly those with 32gb ram/large pagefiles set up


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Moglet

Can you elaborate on the pagefile?

I have 5 Drives the SSD the game is on I set Pagefile to 16-32000, on OS SSD I set pagefile to System Managed and on one HDD that is mostly inactive I set a pagefile of 32000-32000

The HDD Steam is on has no Pagefile at all.

Is it important where the pagefile is? xD

Before I started Crashing the only pagefile I had was the OS SSD one, after searching the www I stumbled upon Pagefile, but haven't tested if it resolves my issue.

Also, also my RAM is around 70% Gigs used while playing and to my understanding Pagefile get's only used when the RAM is full?

Morning *waves*

it dosnt matter where the page file is
yes page file gets used when ram is full


all theNvidia settings you have on " turfworks" especialy cause HUGE tram usage
add in TRAM set to Highest and it is not suprising your Tram usgae is so high

even a 1080 is not enough (i have 2 1080's)

i wouls suggest you lower tram to "high"
and turn off turfworks and the other nvidia settings and test again
im almost positive you will have better results

[PrinceVinc]

Originally posted by Mogletmox:

im almost positive you will have better results

Better results as in less likely to crash? Could that actually be the issue that I overtax Vram?

Due to the inconsistency I would think the real issue lies somewhere else.

I love the Turf effect though xD Will try it out and see if I crash with my pagefiles that high and should I crash again I lower TRAM and see.

[Mogletmox]

Originally posted by PrinceVinc:

Originally posted by Mogletmox:

im almost positive you will have better results

Better results as in less likely to crash? Could that actually be the issue that I overtax Vram?

Due to the inconsistency I would think the real issue lies somewhere else.

I love the Turf effect though xD Will try it out and see if I crash with my pagefiles that high and should I crash again I lower TRAM and see.

TRAM set to highest could easily eat 11gb + tram and is ment for 1080ti's etc

for gtx1080 i reccomend tram set to high and remove the nvidia options for the test
plz do let us know the results it would be itneresting to see :)

[PrinceVinc]

So increasing Pagefile did nothing I potentially have 60GB across 3 Drives. 1h 47 Minutes Crash.

Will test soon with High TRAM, can't give up on my Grass yet xD it's the single most prominent feature...

Still I managed to play for 3 Hours previously with TRAM Highest so I wonder what gives with the shorter intervals now.

[PrinceVinc]

Originally posted by Mogletmox:

TRAM set to highest could easily eat 11gb + tram and is ment for 1080ti's etc

for gtx1080 i reccomend tram set to high and remove the nvidia options for the test
plz do let us know the results it would be itneresting to see :)

I left my Settings like they where in the beginning of Video.

So I disabled my XMP Profile on my RAM (I read in a big Steam post that one solved it with that and I gave it a try since my Undervolted CPU was the first issue related to OC) and just played the game for 6h and 40 Minutes non Stop with no Crash.

After 5-6 Hours the game started chocking and dropping fps and stutter severly down to 20FPS Occasionally.

It eventually seem to have stopped doing that. Had Core Temp and GPU-Z running, nothing weird was showing there, and the Temps where normal/the same as before.

I further test this, but I hope the sacrifice in Ram speed solves the crashing... never again will I buy OC Ram and just RAM with basic Mhz to save money and trouble.

I also figured out that my i7-4790k Bottlenecks my GPU in this game.

CPU Load is around 80% with 47fps sometimes weirdly enough ~56 with 90%+ load

while the GPU is around 60-70% at the same time.

It crashed with the Increased Pagefile, so I don't know if Pagefile even is necessary at all, but I guess I just keep it will work now.

[Bad_Conduct]

Just leave the pagefile on default, you really don't need to adjust it. Page file is neccesary for Windows to operate correctly, don't disable it. It does cash driver information and other tasks, some programs depend on it.

You really don't need to manually tweak Windows 10 anymore, outside of disabling the tracking and monitoring.

The game will use as much memory as it can use, depending on your available memory. Generally, for system memory, it hits between 9 and 12 GB most of the time. I have 64GB of memory on my system.

Unless it's consuming ALL of your memory, then filling your page file, high memory usage isn't an issue. It's a 64 bit application, so it's expected that it will use as much memory as possible.

[Sutanreyu]

There's no leak... I've ran the game for hours, and I only have 8GB of RAM. Never crashed, not once. The game is CPU intensive, but even then, no crashes. I'd imagine it'd be less CPU heavy if I had more RAM... I'm on an old Xeon X5460, and at 4GHz it's about the level of an i5 2500K (which itself is quite old); I get a solid 30fps everywhere outside of Altissia or Lestallum. It actually goes much higher, but the variance is jarring when it goes from like 50s to 30s, so I lock it at 30.

Anywho, even with the older hardware, I've never had a crash and the memory stays stable, usually at around 6GB of usage. Would have never played the game if it actually leaked, especially with a battle like Omega or Adamantoise; first time around with Omega it took me over an hour and a half to finish (wasn't prepared for it at all). I'd have never come back to the game if it had crashed then. Thankfully, SE actually built a good engine.

As the end-user, unless there really was a glaring issue with the application, you'd be hard pressed to ever find a memory leak by merely looking at its memory usage via task manager. If that were the case, I'm pretty sure people over at SE would themselves notice and fix it. Just looking at the game you can tell they're more than competent enough to easily notice if they've got a problem with their memory management.

If you're crashing. first thing to check, IMO, is your thermals. If they're good then ensure that if you're doing any overclocking, that your settings (e.g. voltages, timings, clocks) are well set. If you're not, then next thing to test is your memory; slap memtest86 onto a bootable disk and give that a run. If that passes, then you're probably running into configuration issues with Windows, drivers, 3rd party apps and the like... Best practice is to just leave things alone; a fresh install, with minimal changes is the way to go. GL!

[[FE]Dr-Zakoota]

i have the crash issue many times and in different scenarios .. but my rams never got filled and it crashed ... so i dont think the leak issue . the game has some bug or a bad port .. the game operates as it is running on console accessing game assets more fluently then PC where it sometime has to wait forf hard drive to load data .. and when it dont find the information it crashes ..

[PrinceVinc]

I found a POTENTIAL solution that worked for me. I wrote it in the Start post!

[Bad_Conduct]

You never once mentioned you were getting BSOD's, that's a completely different issue.

[PrinceVinc]

Originally posted by Bad_Conduct:

You never once mentioned you were getting BSOD's, that's a completely different issue.

I solved that before I realized the Game still Crashes.

[Bad_Conduct]

.. why are you undervolting your CPU? I dunno... If you are changing BIOS settings outside of the RAM settings, I'm not surprised it's crashing.

[PrinceVinc]

Originally posted by Bad_Conduct:

.. why are you undervolting your CPU? I dunno... If you are changing BIOS settings outside of the RAM settings, I'm not surprised it's crashing.

The Undervolting was made 4 Years ago where I built this Rig, my first PC, to reduce the Temps, which is a viable thing you can do. It only started to act up in AC:Origins and this Game while Prime did not run in a BSOD.

So yeah Prime is unreliable to test CPU Stability after all.

So the hopefully FINAL solution to the Crashing (RAM) was unrelated to the BSOD.