Ending explanation? (obvious spoilers inside)

[Major]

1. Like what is happening in the end, and why Luna and Noctis are alive? I know they weren't killed in "normal" way, but technically they should stay dead.

2. Who is Ardyn? I mean i know it's one of the Lucis who just gone mad, but how he managed to be basically more powerful than the gods?

I may have more questions but these things i just don't get at the moment, the rest is just poorly written. It's still better than most of the games, but it's not the best FF out there.

[Athener]

Originally posted by Major:

1. Like what is happening in the end, and why Luna and Noctis are alive? I know they weren't killed in "normal" way, but technically they should stay dead.

2. Who is Ardyn? I mean i know it's one of the Lucis who just gone mad, but how he managed to be basically more powerful than the gods?

I may have more questions but these things i just don't get at the moment, the rest is just poorly written. It's still better than most of the games, but it's not the best FF out there.

1.They're married in the afterlife

2. Ardyn is cursed with immortality and the ability to absorb the starscourge into himself (starscourge is the disease that turns folks into daemon), I think immortal + hosting tons of demons inside his body gives him large amount of strength

[V i]

Originally posted by Major:

1. Like what is happening in the end, and why Luna and Noctis are alive? I know they weren't killed in "normal" way, but technically they should stay dead.

2. Who is Ardyn? I mean i know it's one of the Lucis who just gone mad, but how he managed to be basically more powerful than the gods?

I may have more questions but these things i just don't get at the moment, the rest is just poorly written. It's still better than most of the games, but it's not the best FF out there.

1. They are dead, the ending is merely a depiction of their "afterlifes", there's also theory of an alternate universe etc, but for now, lets just take it as they are dead and there is nothing to imply otherwise.

2. Ardyn isnt just any Lucian, he was the First lucis king's brother(elder brother, as implied in Japanese audio, not mentioned in English). Having the same power as Luna, an oracle, he has ability to heal people and save them from becoming a Daemon, in doing so, taking the damage himself. Over the years, the Daemon inside him grows stronger and stronger, thus consuming himself, his hatred over what his brother and the Gods/Astrals did to him(abandoned him) drives him even further.

Then again, technically, there isnt any mention that he is stronger than the gods, he was not the one who slayed Shiva, it was the Imperials and their technology, with him pulling strings from the back.

[Major]

Well, that explains why Regis was talking to Luna. I don't like when there's no info what happened, because we have no idea what's going on in real life, but i bet that sun is shining and everyone is happy. Let's hope they don't make some pointless continuation like FFXIII-2.

Originally posted by Spawk:

Originally posted by Major:

1. Like what is happening in the end, and why Luna and Noctis are alive? I know they weren't killed in "normal" way, but technically they should stay dead.

2. Who is Ardyn? I mean i know it's one of the Lucis who just gone mad, but how he managed to be basically more powerful than the gods?

I may have more questions but these things i just don't get at the moment, the rest is just poorly written. It's still better than most of the games, but it's not the best FF out there.

While I'm the first to say that the story in FFXV isn't great, it seems that in this case the issue wasn't so much the story as you not paying attention to it.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DW6ABggCqvY

Maybe, but imho it is poorly written. Killing characters to which player has no emotions because they weren't really introduced, the whole Empire is basically removed from planet before we can even meet them properly, bosses are mostly mechs, animals and daemons etc.

[pathos_rex]

Originally posted by Spawk:

Originally posted by Major:

1. Like what is happening in the end, and why Luna and Noctis are alive? I know they weren't killed in "normal" way, but technically they should stay dead.

2. Who is Ardyn? I mean i know it's one of the Lucis who just gone mad, but how he managed to be basically more powerful than the gods?

I may have more questions but these things i just don't get at the moment, the rest is just poorly written. It's still better than most of the games, but it's not the best FF out there.

While I'm the first to say that the story in FFXV isn't great, it seems that in this case the issue wasn't so much the story as you not paying attention to it.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DW6ABggCqvY

Seriously? You think the fault is in not paying attention? That backstory is gibberish and convoluted garbage wrapped into one. H e v l a s k a's explanation is helpful, but some of it I still don't know how you all got that from those cutscenes. But hey, congrats on being smart enough to decipher it.

[Furystrikez]

Originally posted by Major:

Maybe, but imho it is poorly written. Killing characters to which player has no emotions because they weren't really introduced, the whole Empire is basically removed from planet before we can even meet them properly, bosses are mostly mechs, animals and daemons etc.

Honestly the only characters that were poorly introduced and didn't have much back story were Loqi Tummelt and Caligo Ulldor.
Everyone else has back story told through either the DLC or Kingsglaive

[Cynbell]

The real question is:
Did the boys died? I think they did

[Furystrikez]

Originally posted by Cynbell:

The real question is:
Did the boys died? I think they did

It is implied that they died holding off the demons outside the throne room after Noctis went inside. Gladio, Prompto, and Ignis show up in the cutscene afterwards that takes place in "Spirit Realm"(Thats what I'm gonna call it at least) where Noctis and the former Lucian kings finish of Ardyn. Everyone else in that cutscene is already dead so I think its safe to assume the other guys are too.

[V i]

Actually, its a kind of hate and love thing for me. But ultimately, i kinda like the way the story is presented, although its a mistake by Tabata originally.

The main game's story alone, leaves much to be explored, but that doesnt make it incomplete. Within the game, there is so much scattered information to be explored, quests/sides being one of them, clues left in the game's design, lores (cosmology) and other tidbits of clues and wordplay by key characters. It isnt Sherlock Holmes, but just put a little attention, im sure anyone would have discovered them. For those who rushed end game below 12-15 hours, so sorry for you.

Apart from that, to solidify the hints left throughout the game, there is Kingsglaive movie, Brotherhood anime, 3 bros DLC and finally Comrades. I didnt like it it at first, but ultimately, i couldn't have it any other way. Its brilliantly put together, call it shallow as you will, this will be a good stepping stone for the next franchise.

[LazyAmerican]

I thought it was pretty straight forward *shrugs*

[Esk]

There is some article where Tabata states the 3 boys are not dead. He also says this doesn't mean they are happy, since losing the 4th of their group will forever leave a mark.

[Rose BT]

Originally posted by Furystrikez:

Originally posted by Cynbell:

The real question is:
Did the boys died? I think they did

It is implied that they died holding off the demons outside the throne room after Noctis went inside. Gladio, Prompto, and Ignis show up in the cutscene afterwards that takes place in "Spirit Realm"(Thats what I'm gonna call it at least) where Noctis and the former Lucian kings finish of Ardyn. Everyone else in that cutscene is already dead so I think its safe to assume the other guys are too.

Maybe but i Think it was because the Boys will ever be with him, that even death cannot split them.