Why wasn't Chaos a boss fight?

[Ikagura]

Lack of time? I mean even Zavock got a boss fight.

[Gnidex]

I don't know, but here's something to ease the suffering:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dkgM2nmTuQk

You can download this mod from here: https://gamebanana.com/gamefiles/6350

[Ikagura]

Originally posted by Gnidex:

I don't know, but here's something to ease the suffering:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dkgM2nmTuQk

You can download this mod from here: https://gamebanana.com/gamefiles/6350

It makes me laugh how modders made a boss fight more interesting than even Egg Dragon in this game.

[NBOX21]

There isn't even a Chaos model in the game's files since the only time he appears is during a "pre-rendered" cutscene. Oh yeah, most of the cutscenes in the game are pre-rendered despite looking like they're rendered in-engine.

[Ikagura]

Originally posted by NBOX21:

There isn't even a Chaos model in the game's files since the only time he appears is during a "pre-rendered" cutscene. Oh yeah, most of the cutscenes in the game are pre-rendered despite looking like they're rendered in-engine.

What's the point of doing that?

Even Sonic 2006 managed to make the cutscenes look better than in-game... Unleashed on the other hand was always real time rendered.

If a game has pre-rendered scenes it's to make them look significantly better than in-game (Brawl being the perfect exemple for it)

[NBOX21]

Originally posted by Ikagura:

What's the point of doing that?

Even Sonic 2006 managed to make the cutscenes look better than in-game... Unleashed on the other hand was always real time rendered.

If a game has pre-rendered scenes it's to make them look significantly better than in-game (Brawl being the perfect exemple for it)

I know, right? Not only do they look worse than real-time cutscenes, they also take up more disc space. Even for 30 seconds, cutscenes at 1080p can take up around 50-100 MB, while the same cutscene in real time could take around a quarter of that size.

Heck, the concept of using pre-rendered cutscenes to look better than what the engine can provide goes all the way back to the PS1 era.

[Ikagura]

Originally posted by NBOX21:

Originally posted by Ikagura:

What's the point of doing that?

Even Sonic 2006 managed to make the cutscenes look better than in-game... Unleashed on the other hand was always real time rendered.

If a game has pre-rendered scenes it's to make them look significantly better than in-game (Brawl being the perfect exemple for it)

I know, right? Not only do they look worse than real-time cutscenes, they also take up more disc space. Even for 30 seconds, cutscenes at 1080p can take up around 50-100 MB, while the same cutscene in real time could take around a quarter of that size.

Heck, the concept of using pre-rendered cutscenes to look better than what the engine can provide goes all the way back to the PS1 era.

I have no idea why Sonic Team messed up something as simple as that.

[festivneer]

can agree on the lack of creative boss fights.

hell, the second to last boss was just a reskin of metal sonic, first phase of the death egg robot was a EX reskin of egg dragoon, second phase of death egg robot is zavok EX, and the final phase is arguably trash.
lazy excuse of a final boss for modern games.

forces was definitely a missed chance for a "all of your old foes are back and stronger than ever" feeling. why didnt the devs capitalize on the phantom ruby more?

[Ikagura]

Originally posted by festivneer:

can agree on the lack of creative boss fights.

hell, the second to last boss was just a reskin of metal sonic, first phase of the death egg robot was a EX reskin of egg dragoon, second phase of death egg robot is zavok EX, and the final phase is arguably trash.
lazy excuse of a final boss for modern games.

forces was definitely a missed chance for a "all of your old foes are back and stronger than ever" feeling. why didnt the devs capitalize on the phantom ruby more?

Even if Colors' bosses were very easy (and 3 which were reskins of other 3) they were at least all unique and creative in their own way.

Unleashed got some good bosses too (even the night ones were decent).

But giving us the same final boss as Colors for both Lost World and Forces is just an insult to the fans and the franchise at this point. Especially since the Chaos Emeralds are irrelevant to the story and Super Sonic's climax (even if they're just mcguffins in most of the games and are also for the monster of the week instead of the Doctor most of the time).

Even Mania has them to be included to the game while Forces made it as a DLC.

[NBOX21]

Originally posted by Ikagura:

Even Mania has them to be included to the game while Forces made it as a DLC.

The weird thing is, fans complained about how Super Sonic was originally going to be free DLC for a limited time, and then SEGA decided to make it free forever.

Honestly, I think making it DLC would be a terrible idea from the start, even if it were free. Remember when you actually had to earn Super Sonic in these games? It was a game breaking ability, sure, but you put in the effort to earn it.

[Ikagura]

Originally posted by NBOX21:

Originally posted by Ikagura:

Even Mania has them to be included to the game while Forces made it as a DLC.

The weird thing is, fans complained about how Super Sonic was originally going to be free DLC for a limited time, and then SEGA decided to make it free forever.

Honestly, I think making it DLC would be a terrible idea from the start, even if it were free. Remember when you actually had to earn Super Sonic in these games? It was a game breaking ability, sure, but you put in the effort to earn it.

If fans had to complain to make their company change it means that there is a bigger problem.

Colors and Generations had Super Sonic as a post-game reward so you're right, it should've been earned.