Sonic fanbase: THE WORST FANBASE

[Yojinbo用心棒]

I have been a fan since the Mega-drive and master system (1991) and I've never been more ashamed of the fanbase than I am now, crying and whinging "Sonic is not good enough" hating Sonic just to get you tube views (butt hurt mario fans jump on the band wagon everytime there!)

If you've been a fan from the start or are even part of the toxicity of the fanbase, do something constructive to clear it up, and no I am not talking about the ♥♥♥♥♥♥ ♥♥♥♥♥♥ fangames who basically just rip assets from sega claiming it's an "original" game....

Seriously look at yourselves, a majority of the time the problem has not been Sonic team or sega but a fanbase that is the very source of the problems in many years now, you would think by now they would have tried to improve their behaviour but no it goes on and Sonic or SEGA usually get a kicking when they are the one's largely not at fault, so my question is when will this rather unfortunate fanbase start clearing it's act up??

I don't want to see some comments claiming there is nothing wrong with the fans or that this is an attack on them because it's not, the good fans are out there still talking very positive over the years but there's always those who will ruin the reputations of everyone else, additionally I am pretty sick of reading and hearing whinning and crying and ridicule whenever Sonic Team tried something new and YOU "the fans" couldn't adapt or try something new which has actually caused the series to attempt to change too many times while many good ideas were lost with this, Shadow the hedgehog and Lost world had some great ideas and were highly original dispite some flaws but it wasn't "good enough" for this bunch of a sickening majority who make some other fanbases and gamers look like modern day saints compared to how I've seen Sonic fans behave over the years.

One good idea is to have people put together more ideas while stop trying to detract from the original ideas Sonic Team has put forward, Sonic Heroes 2 and maybe more riders would be an amazing start, I've considered doing something like a Sonic R remaster or a sequal to that game but due to the reactions of some fans it would probably end very bad and I really feel for the devs who tried hard to make that game and still suffer some backlash since the 90s.

Grow up Sonic "fans"

[MewJAM]

We all just need to learn to become more accepting of each other. I think part of the reason there's so much inner conflict from within the fanbase is that we get so much ridicule from the outside at things that really aren't that bad. Like there are tons of youtube videos making fun of little kids' poorly drawn Sonic OCs, and sure, they're weird and I don't get them, but these are little innocent kids, just trying to express creativity and show their love for the series. Yes, they more often than not look terrible. But they aren't actually hurting anyone, are they?? And how can they ever get better if they just don't make art at all? I used to make sonic fan characters when I was really little, because I was completely oblivious to how much everyone apparently hates them and how they're considered to be super weird and stuff. Then I learned about that and just stopped drawing, because I became super self-conscious. Skip over to much more recently and I've rebranded my online presence and am trying to me more outgoing and express my ideas... and I can't draw. Like I'd make some logo or icon or art or something of my own to help represent myself online, but I'm just terrible at it. As for the fangames, give them time, a lot of the games you may have seen as entries in SAGE or elsewhere are made by new people, who are still kind of finding their way in the process of game development. And some of them may just be excited and hope for their fan games to be received with great praise when they really aren't that good, but that's ok. I'd be really enthusiastic if I made a fan game, and would probably exaggerate about how good it was just because naturally I'd be more excited for it as it'd be my game.

Another problem is the whole directing shame and scorn towards the fanbase as a whole when really we are not one entity, but many groups, all unique but connected with one another. Everyone has their own opinion on everything and everyone is involved with Sonic in a different way. Calling out the entire community on behalf of something stupid that some small, vocal subgroup did, is just childish.

Look I know this wasn't the type of answer you were looking for when you made this post, but read over what you wrote again... you were kind of asking for it. You come off as super angry and furious. In my opinion, yes, the fanbase is to a certain degree, a toxic one, but that's mainly because of the people who insist so strongly that it is toxic and that it's the entire community's fault, that nothing anyone could say or do would change their minds.

EDIT:
I kind of forgot to mention this part. During the time between my discovery about how negatively the Sonic fan community is looked at and my recent sort of opening up to it again, I became very cynical and judgemental towards every little thing I saw other Sonic fans make, because I was convinced it was uncool. Over time my interest in the franchise as a whole began to fade away.

Then came the announcement of Sonic Mania and Sonic Forces, and all my passion for the series was revitalized. And during that period of anticipation, excitement, and worry, I decided to branch out into the community again. And I met so many wonderful people. For awhile a lot of my closest online friends were fans like me, but fans who weren't ashamed to show their creativity and passion. People need to be able to look past how someone's fan character may be a recolor, or how their fan games aren't super high quality. It doesn't necessarily mean they aren't trying and thus don't care about the series, they just don't have the skills, yet. So we shouldn't bash them and say the community is cringy and toxic, and we shouldn't judge, because what may appear to be someone with a low-effort sonic recolor as their profile picture can end up being one of the nicest people you'll meet. We just need to be open and accepting.

[Holiday Haver Neren]

I feel 'ya, Emerald JAM (and please don't change your name again).
And as for the original poster, you make it sound like these games are perfect.
The reason we love Sonic is that there was some game we remember introducing us to the formula... A game that felt just right, that seemed to set the standard... For me, that game was Sonic Advance, for others, it may be Sonic 2, or 3, or CD, who knows?
And then there's the other games that just seem to fail it so badly. The levels are too short, there's too much 2.5D in a supposedly 3D Sonic game, or maybe the game is riddled with bugs, or maybe it is riddled with a gimmick we just don't want. A lot of us come into a game like Forces looking for a Boost game, but then the stages are tiny insignificant specks and we have to play in different styles to unlock more levels in the style we really want. An actual choice of character and characters being independant of each other would be really nice. But unfortunately we don't all think the same way...

[MewJAM]

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But unfortunately we don't all think the same way...

But I think if we can harness that and use it as a way to discuss and grow, and maybe eventually reach some consensus to what a middle ground Sonic game where everyone can be happy would look like, then that diversity in opinions is a good thing. You can't get anywhere travelling across the internet telling every fan who's an 06 apologist to shut up just because you don't agree with them, you know? We can be open minded, and learn to ask why, and understand other peoples' ideas and interests.

[Holiday Haver Neren]

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But unfortunately we don't all think the same way...

But I think if we can harness that and use it as a way to discuss and grow, and maybe eventually reach some consensus to what a middle ground where everyone can be happy would look like, then that diversity in opinions is a good thing. You can't get anywhere travelling across the internet telling every fan who's an 06 apologist to shut up just because you don't agree with them, you know? We can be open minded, and learn to ask why and understand other peoples' ideas and interests.

Yeah, that too.
Which is better though: Forcing people to play in different styles when they just want one or giving them the choice to play in any given one?
Similarly, here's a good positive '06 has: it legit tries to be cool. Can we put that into new Sonic games without ruining them? Yes we can.
Is it possible to remake '06 and fix like, every issue with it? I mean, that'd be extreme, but yes, it is possible. '06 does have some good stuff in it.
Can we separate different playstyles? I mean, maybe. Boost games seem to be really struggling with this, I'm not sure why.
Can we make a Generations where the analog stick is actually useful? Yes.
What about fixing the Air Dash? Probably.

[MewJAM]

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Similarly, here's a good positive '06 has: it legit tries to be cool. Can we put that into new Sonic games without ruining them? Yes we can.
Is it possible to remake '06 and fix like, every issue with it? I mean, that'd be extreme, but yes, it is possible. '06 does have some good stuff in it.

So this brings up a point I think both fans and actual SEGA and Sonic Team officials kind of struggle with, which is that a game is not just binary good-or-bad. I like Sonic 06 because the things that it did right are more important to me as an individual fan than the things it flopped at. I can still be critical and clearly see that certain parts of the game are downright awful, but I also can enjoy it for what it did well, and just because what I look for in a game isn't the same as what someone else (or the majority) does, doesn't mean I should be punished for it, does it?

That said we also can't just blindly support games Sonic Team, or any team, releases. That open-mindedness is two sided, not only should you try not to judge someone for liking something you dislike, but if for instance I liked Unleashed and you didn't, then instead of saying "you're acting so entitled and you're so spoiled and you're not a real fan" I should try to hear out your arguement and understand your point of view. Be flexible, and you may even find your own views changing for the better.

[Holiday Haver Neren]

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Similarly, here's a good positive '06 has: it legit tries to be cool. Can we put that into new Sonic games without ruining them? Yes we can.
Is it possible to remake '06 and fix like, every issue with it? I mean, that'd be extreme, but yes, it is possible. '06 does have some good stuff in it.

So this brings up a point I think both fans and actual SEGA and Sonic Team officials kind of struggle with, which is that a game is not just binary good-or-bad. I like Sonic 06 because the things that it did right are more important to me as an individual fan than the things it flopped at. I can still be critical and clearly see that certain parts of the game are downright awful, but I also can enjoy it for what it did well, and just because what I look for in a game isn't the same as what someone else (or the majority) does, doesn't mean I should be punished for it, does it?

That said we also can't just blindly support games Sonic Team, or any team, releases. That open-mindedness is two sided, not only should to try not to judge someone for liking something you dislike, but if for instance I liked Unleashed and you didn't, then instead of saying "you're acting so entitled and you're so spoiled and you're not a real fan" I should try to hear out your arguement and understand your point of view. Be flexible, and you may even find your own views changing for the better.

Agreed.
I have decided to stop blasting you '06 lovers after I actually heard what was GOOD about the game.

[Yojinbo用心棒]

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Similarly, here's a good positive '06 has: it legit tries to be cool. Can we put that into new Sonic games without ruining them? Yes we can.
Is it possible to remake '06 and fix like, every issue with it? I mean, that'd be extreme, but yes, it is possible. '06 does have some good stuff in it.

So this brings up a point I think both fans and actual SEGA and Sonic Team officials kind of struggle with, which is that a game is not just binary good-or-bad. I like Sonic 06 because the things that it did right are more important to me as an individual fan than the things it flopped at. I can still be critical and clearly see that certain parts of the game are downright awful, but I also can enjoy it for what it did well, and just because what I look for in a game isn't the same as what someone else (or the majority) does, doesn't mean I should be punished for it, does it?

That said we also can't just blindly support games Sonic Team, or any team, releases. That open-mindedness is two sided, not only should you try not to judge someone for liking something you dislike, but if for instance I liked Unleashed and you didn't, then instead of saying "you're acting so entitled and you're so spoiled and you're not a real fan" I should try to hear out your arguement and understand your point of view. Be flexible, and you may even find your own views changing for the better.

I'm "asking for it"?? No this is precisely what I wrote about, "fans" like you who will blame anything and anyone else including the development team and the REAL people who put the effort in, you don't even reflect at all on yourself and you just proved it! Infact you refuse to accept your own responsibility and claim that the fanbase is not at fault at all!! Get out of here kid, less players like you around and your self catering BS and licking the a$$$#es of the fanbase, the better this franchise will be.

You started with a great post and just became a hypocrite....

[Holiday Haver Neren]

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So this brings up a point I think both fans and actual SEGA and Sonic Team officials kind of struggle with, which is that a game is not just binary good-or-bad. I like Sonic 06 because the things that it did right are more important to me as an individual fan than the things it flopped at. I can still be critical and clearly see that certain parts of the game are downright awful, but I also can enjoy it for what it did well, and just because what I look for in a game isn't the same as what someone else (or the majority) does, doesn't mean I should be punished for it, does it?

That said we also can't just blindly support games Sonic Team, or any team, releases. That open-mindedness is two sided, not only should you try not to judge someone for liking something you dislike, but if for instance I liked Unleashed and you didn't, then instead of saying "you're acting so entitled and you're so spoiled and you're not a real fan" I should try to hear out your arguement and understand your point of view. Be flexible, and you may even find your own views changing for the better.

I'm "asking for it"?? No this is precisely what I wrote about, "fans" like you who will blame anything and anyone else including the development team and the REAL people who put the effort in, you don't even reflect at all on yourself and you just proved it! Infact you refuse to accept your own responsibility and claim that the fanbase is not at fault at all!! Get out of here kid, less players like you around and your self catering BS and licking the a$$$#es of the fanbase, the better this franchise will be.

You started with a great post and just became a hypocrite....

My gosh. You call yourself a fan? You're hating on yourself then.
It's obvious there are some problems with games like Forces or '06. Do some of us overreact to said problems? Yeah, kinda. But I haven't heard you once admit there are actual problems with these games. Can you honestly say that things like the Double-Boost sections in this game have any challenge whatsoever? No? That's because they don't.
You seem to be the reverse of some of us Sonic fans. Some of us see problems in the games and don't see any good. Are those really Sonic "fans"? No, probably not... Unless there really is nothing good about a game, which... normally isn't the case. Even Forces and '06 have their strengths.
Anyway, some of us hate the entirety of a Sonic game for small issues that aren't that big.
You, on the other hand, hate an entire group of people because apparently they aren't "REAL" humans if they complain about Sonic games or like Sonic and draw terrible-looking OCs.
You're going waaay too far with this.
You didn't even reply to the right post, man.

I'm not saying the dev teams of Forces and '06 are bad people. They might have made bad decisions though, or had to rush the game out of production. Which is NOT good. Note we haven't attacked any of the developers like you claim we are.

And also, the fanbase does not make the games (and thus are not the true ones responible for them). They can react positively to them and buy them or do the opposite, but in the end, Sega, Sonic Team, and the devs are responsible for the games they make and release. A lot of us were really hyped for Forces, then it came out and THAT was when we claimed it was garbage. The game had potential, but it was probably rushed or just ruined in some other sad way. So don't go around saying all we do is hate on these games. I love the Genesis games too, not to mention the GBA ones and, to a perhaps lesser extent, the Adventure games and Generations. I think these games are legitimately fun to play.
And if you're just going to not be the slightest bit open to us and see that we, not just Sonic game devs, are humans too, fine. Be that way, as Torque from Freedom Planet (also a game I love) would say.

But if you're looking to make a change in the fanbase,
your first move should not be demonizing it.

[MewJAM]

Let me try to re-explain my perspective. I personally do not hold Iizuka, Nakamura, Naka, Hoshino, or ANY one person or even group of people on Sonic Team responsible any flaw any Sonic game has, because without proper documentation of the development of said game, there’s no way of knowing who exactly to pin the blame on. You may have noticed that in all of my earlier posts, as Hahasamian said, I never attacked any specific member or group within Sonic Team. We can say Iizuka and Shun were the leading cause in making the levels more linear in Forces, but we can’t actually know that that’s true. For all we know they were against it and it was a decision made by someone higher up.

That said, I and other fans still have the freedom to criticize the final product if we wanted to. It’s like how I said it’s not right for someone to be attacked for liking games like 06 or Forces, it’s also wrong to attack people for NOT liking those games, or any games. One of the best things about this fanbase is the diversity in opinions that allow us to discuss how each one of us enjoys Sonic differently. You can still share your opinion that xyz sonic games are good or bad without bashing others for disagreeing. But if we can’t acknowledge that some people have different opinions and see something we like as bad, then we can’t understand each other and no one gets anywhere.

Correct me if I’m wrong, because it may change my point of view on what you’re saying, but it seems like the main reason you think the fanbase is toxic is because fans of Sonic are so critical of Sonic games. Now I get that, and from that angle it makes sense: how can they be fans if they don’t enjoy the thing they claim they’re fans of? But the issue is that Sonic as a series is ever-changing, and there’s so much variation in setting, gameplay- everything, that the sonic games one person grew up with are probably completely different than the sonic games someone who was born 4 years later grew up with. As a result you have people becoming fans of that version of Sonic, but then becoming disappointed when they find out that the other games in the series aren’t more of the same thing. But they still are fans, they just prefer more of one era or style of Sonic than others.

And to some degree your statement about toxicity because of criticism is true. Particularly those classic sonic elitists often are very closed-minded and unaccepting of later games in the series. I get that, and when I encounter someone like that I get that same upset feeling you probably have ♥♥♥♥♥♥ too- remember just because I’m arguing against you doesn’t mean I haven’t had similar experiences... as stated earlier I like Sonic 06 and Unleashed so you can imagine the kind of trouble I’ve ♥♥♥♥♥♥ into with those people.

That said, I think you’re kind of over exaggerating the issue. If no one gives criticism then nothing ever improves. We as the fans need to let the devs know what’s good and bad, what works and what doesn’t, and in that way we actually ARE crucial to and involved in the development of the games.

Welp that’s all for now, hopefully I didn’t come off as angry bc I just want to have a nice talk about this and I get that it’s hard to read emotion from text so here’s some emotes to clear things up

[Yojinbo用心棒]

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I'm "asking for it"?? No this is precisely what I wrote about, "fans" like you who will blame anything and anyone else including the development team and the REAL people who put the effort in, you don't even reflect at all on yourself and you just proved it! Infact you refuse to accept your own responsibility and claim that the fanbase is not at fault at all!! Get out of here kid, less players like you around and your self catering BS and licking the a$$$#es of the fanbase, the better this franchise will be.

You started with a great post and just became a hypocrite....

My gosh. You call yourself a fan? You're hating on yourself then.
It's obvious there are some problems with games like Forces or '06. Do some of us overreact to said problems? Yeah, kinda. But I haven't heard you once admit there are actual problems with these games. Can you honestly say that things like the Double-Boost sections in this game have any challenge whatsoever? No? That's because they don't.
You seem to be the reverse of some of us Sonic fans. Some of us see problems in the games and don't see any good. Are those really Sonic "fans"? No, probably not... Unless there really is nothing good about a game, which... normally isn't the case. Even Forces and '06 have their strengths.
Anyway, some of us hate the entirety of a Sonic game for small issues that aren't that big.
You, on the other hand, hate an entire group of people because apparently they aren't "REAL" humans if they complain about Sonic games or like Sonic and draw terrible-looking OCs.
You're going waaay too far with this.
You didn't even reply to the right post, man.

I'm not saying the dev teams of Forces and '06 are bad people. They might have made bad decisions though, or had to rush the game out of production. Which is NOT good. Note we haven't attacked any of the developers like you claim we are.

And also, the fanbase does not make the games (and thus are not the true ones responible for them). They can react positively to them and buy them or do the opposite, but in the end, Sega, Sonic Team, and the devs are responsible for the games they make and release. A lot of us were really hyped for Forces, then it came out and THAT was when we claimed it was garbage. The game had potential, but it was probably rushed or just ruined in some other sad way. So don't go around saying all we do is hate on these games. I love the Genesis games too, not to mention the GBA ones and, to a perhaps lesser extent, the Adventure games and Generations. I think these games are legitimately fun to play.
And if you're just going to not be the slightest bit open to us and see that we, not just Sonic game devs, are humans too, fine. Be that way, as Torque from Freedom Planet (also a game I love) would say.

But if you're looking to make a change in the fanbase,
your first move should not be demonizing it.

You are a stinking child and this is what you so called fans are like in this day and age, you are no fan, enlighten yourself and reflect in the mirror idiot

https://youtu.be/3HoyeU-zs4Q

[Holiday Haver Neren]

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You are a stinking child and this is what you so called fans are like in this day and age, you are no fan, enlighten yourself and reflect in the mirror idiot

https://youtu.be/3HoyeU-zs4Q

Wow. Is no fan good enough for you, unless they kiss the butt of every terrible Sonic game in existence?
Don't get me wrong. There are plenty of good, or even great, Sonic games out there. I've said that already now. I can appreciate several of the games mentioned on the (crapplily made BTW) video you linked.
Are you even reading my posts, or are you just trolling the fanbase?

[MewJAM]

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You are a stinking child

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İlk olarak Emerald JAM tarafından gönderildi:

In my opinion, yes, the fanbase is to a certain degree, a toxic one, but that's mainly because of the people who insist so strongly that it is toxic and that it's the entire community's fault, that nothing anyone could say or do would change their minds.

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Yeah I’m going to call your bluff now. You’re not some long-time sonic fan who’s been through every era of the franchise and genuinely appreciates every single turd and dud and flop it’s had along the way. You’re just saying that so you can use the ‘get off my lawn’ argument. You’re either:

A) A little kid who’s just parroting what your favorite YouTuber says because you think that person is so cool and has all the correct opinions

Or

B) A little kid or teenager who thinks it’s cool and edgy to have unpopular opinions just for the sake of being that person, and who feels an irresistible urge to attack everyone who has a different mindset

Or

C) A middle aged troll who grew up with no SEGA consoles and has a strong bias against anything Sonic and wants to stir up drama because you think it’s funny


And if you’re actually telling the truth, then... wow. I have never met anyone like you before. I mean someone who’s been there for literally every crappy game but likes all of them, but also still has the awful elitist attitude of a cynical and exclusively classic sonic-loving fan??? That’s rare!

Hahasamian and I’ve taken our time typing out long posts trying to kindly explain why our opinions differ from yours and you’ve only shot back with random insults and attacks, and poorly made videos that only express your side of the argument. Talk about confirmation bias.

EDIT:
Not to mention...
-Private profile? Got any Sonic games on that account by any chance?
-Oldest username according to SteamID listed as entered in 1970???

[zweat]

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You are a stinking child and this is what you so called fans are like in this day and age, you are no fan, enlighten yourself and reflect in the mirror idiot

https://youtu.be/3HoyeU-zs4Q

gee what a comeback
we sure should listen to you after this reply
i mean you're right, sonic 06 wasn't that bad and we shouldn't criticize it
we shouldn't blame the game developers because they failed to make a good game, I mean, it's our fault, we are the ones that stresses the developers
we should just shut up and play sonic forces while forcing ourselves to enjoy it

[Yojinbo用心棒]

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You are a stinking child and this is what you so called fans are like in this day and age, you are no fan, enlighten yourself and reflect in the mirror idiot

https://youtu.be/3HoyeU-zs4Q

Wow. Is no fan good enough for you, unless they kiss the butt of every terrible Sonic game in existence?
Don't get me wrong. There are plenty of good, or even great, Sonic games out there. I've said that already now. I can appreciate several of the games mentioned on the (crapplily made BTW) video you linked.
Are you even reading my posts, or are you just trolling the fanbase?

Not my video, my channels doing better but the point is there, loved lost world and adventure but Sega and sonic team don't have to obey retarded little kids like you.

You are nothing to sonic team or wider game devs involved in the platforming industry, with so called "fans" like you, who needs detractors.

[Yojinbo用心棒]

İlk olarak Emerald JAM tarafından gönderildi:

İlk olarak Yojinbo用心棒 tarafından gönderildi:

You are a stinking child

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İlk olarak Emerald JAM tarafından gönderildi:

In my opinion, yes, the fanbase is to a certain degree, a toxic one, but that's mainly because of the people who insist so strongly that it is toxic and that it's the entire community's fault, that nothing anyone could say or do would change their minds.

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Yeah I’m going to call your bluff now. You’re not some long-time sonic fan who’s been through every era of the franchise and genuinely appreciates every single turd and dud and flop it’s had along the way. You’re just saying that so you can use the ‘get off my lawn’ argument. You’re either:

A) A little kid who’s just parroting what your favorite YouTuber says because you think that person is so cool and has all the correct opinions

Or

B) A little kid or teenager who thinks it’s cool and edgy to have unpopular opinions just for the sake of being that person, and who feels an irresistible urge to attack everyone who has a different mindset

Or

C) A middle aged troll who grew up with no SEGA consoles and has a strong bias against anything Sonic and wants to stir up drama because you think it’s funny


And if you’re actually telling the truth, then... wow. I have never met anyone like you before. I mean someone who’s been there for literally every crappy game but likes all of them, but also still has the awful elitist attitude of a cynical and exclusively classic sonic-loving fan??? That’s rare!

Hahasamian and I’ve taken our time typing out long posts trying to kindly explain why our opinions differ from yours and you’ve only shot back with random insults and attacks, and poorly made videos that only express your side of the argument. Talk about confirmation bias.

EDIT:
Not to mention...
-Private profile? Got any Sonic games on that account by any chance?
-Oldest username according to SteamID listed as entered in 1970???

Who the ♥♥♥♥ are you again? I probably own the entire library and their ports for all you know, I don't see how a private profile has anything to do with this, plus why would I let some pedos near other family members that wanted to use the pc? Your motives are clearly showing "super fan"