Remove Denuvo?

[Grand Captain Speedy Dash]

The game has been cracked making it so Denuvo only effects paying customers so can you guys please remove it, I might buy it if Denuvo is removed.

[Grand Captain Speedy Dash]

Originally posted by mdesaleah:

Originally posted by Grand Captain Speedy Dash:

Also this, most people I have talked with refuse the performance claims.

My reasons for not liking Denuvo are the following three

• It makes a single player game require internet multiple times after instalation
  
• It can cause a single player game to expire
  
• It's a second layer DRM

Your second reason for disliking it can be removed from anything SEGA owned now.

For Sega, number two is unlikely but I was talking about Denuvo in general.

[mdesaleah]

Originally posted by Grand Captain Speedy Dash:

Originally posted by mdesaleah:

What’s the difference? If they removed it now it just detracts from pirates inconvenience. Since it doesn’t affect anyone else, then they should just remove it later (like they said).

Denuvo has no effect on Pirates once Denuvo is cracked, as I said it's no different then pirating a game with just steam drm.

Originally posted by __:

Why isn't this thread locked?

It's a discussion about DRM not piracy, I've been doing this long enough and I know the line. The last thread was very much promoting piracy and did get shut down by a mod but this thread isn't likely to follow.

The very slight chance of a pirate choosing to not pirate after seeing Denuvo is very slight, but still happens.

[Samson Fairfox]

plays some funk and r&b and then comes back, holly crap you are still at it. the green letter has around 11+ notifications

[Grand Captain Speedy Dash]

Originally posted by Green:

Originally posted by mdesaleah:

The very slight chance of a pirate choosing to not pirate after seeing Denuvo is very slight, but still happens.

The only time that happens is if a game is so unpopular that nobody even bothered to crack it (which almost happened to Forces, I was surprised to see Forces cracked myself).

That was a shock, out of all the Denuvo games they could of focused on they decided to focused on Sonic Forces. At least it gives me more ammo to request they remove it, since I'm still mad about having to refund my Sonic Mania pre-order because of Denuvo.

[mdesaleah]

Originally posted by Grand Captain Speedy Dash:

Originally posted by Green:

The only time that happens is if a game is so unpopular that nobody even bothered to crack it (which almost happened to Forces, I was surprised to see Forces cracked myself).

That was a shock, out of all the Denuvo games they could of focused on they decided to focused on Sonic Forces. At least it gives me more ammo to request they remove it, since I'm still mad about having to refund my Sonic Mania pre-order because of Denuvo.

The Mania fiasco I agree with. They shouldn’t have delayed it just to add Denuvo. I agree there.

[Grand Captain Speedy Dash]

Originally posted by mdesaleah:

Originally posted by Grand Captain Speedy Dash:

That was a shock, out of all the Denuvo games they could of focused on they decided to focused on Sonic Forces. At least it gives me more ammo to request they remove it, since I'm still mad about having to refund my Sonic Mania pre-order because of Denuvo.

The Mania fiasco I agree with. They shouldn’t have delayed it just to add Denuvo. I agree there.

Oh there is more to it then that.

They also hid the fact that Denuvo was there and the Sonic 1 "gift" tied Refund playtime to sonic 1 (most fans having played hundreds of hours in) and purchase date to the date you got the gift in a attempt to put all buyers outside the refund window. Steam support at least gave refunds to people who submitted a support ticket instead of trying to use the refund system.

[Samson Fairfox]

Just going to sit back and relax, going to just chill. You guys can keep wasting your time and energy. In the hole scream of things we are entirely insignificant, just go about your lives and live yo. It's not worth the fight anyways.

[mdesaleah]

Originally posted by Grand Captain Speedy Dash:

Originally posted by mdesaleah:

The Mania fiasco I agree with. They shouldn’t have delayed it just to add Denuvo. I agree there.

Oh there is more to it then that.

They also hid the fact that Denuvo was there and the Sonic 1 "gift" tied Refund playtime to sonic 1 (most fans having played hundreds of hours in) and purchase date to the date you got the gift in a attempt to put all buyers outside the refund window. Steam support at least gave refunds to most people who submitted a support ticket instead of trying to use the refund system.

I agree. Personally I’ll never buy Mania though (my reasons)

[Grand Captain Speedy Dash]

Originally posted by mdesaleah:

Originally posted by Grand Captain Speedy Dash:

Oh there is more to it then that.

They also hid the fact that Denuvo was there and the Sonic 1 "gift" tied Refund playtime to sonic 1 (most fans having played hundreds of hours in) and purchase date to the date you got the gift in a attempt to put all buyers outside the refund window. Steam support at least gave refunds to most people who submitted a support ticket instead of trying to use the refund system.

I agree. Personally I’ll never buy Mania though (my reasons)

After that whole ordeal you can see why even with Sega saying they would remove Denuvo if they went under, I'm not having the most faith in them.

[JOHN30011887]

Originally posted by Grand Captain Speedy Dash:

Originally posted by sophia~ the dragon~:

theres no reason to remove it

Once cracked

Reasons to remove it
-it requires repeat online checks
-It can cause paying Customer's to be locked out of the game
-It can ultimately make legit copies unplayable when Denuvo's servers go down.
-It no longer does what it was made to do

Reasons to keep it
There is no reason to keep it but plenty of reasons to remove it.

Im glad there are some educated people here that actually look at the longterm issue with denuvo :)

Iv told people of this issue before
-It can ultimately make legit copies unplayable when Denuvo's servers go down

And i also agree with what you said that devs will likely refuse to patch out Denuvo because the game is "too old" and the legit copies would need to be cracked to run.

Some devs dont even care to fix all bugs in a game so i cant see them caring about removing drm from old games either when they would have newer games to focus on

[Grand Captain Speedy Dash]

Oh yeah one thing Sega said that I have posted in this thread

Originally posted by Sonic Forces EULA:

AT SOME POINT IN THE FUTURE THE PRODUCT MAY GO OUT OF DATE, AND SEGA MAKES NO COMMITMENT TO UPDATE SUCH PRODUCT

So they said they would patch it out if Denuvo went under but they also said they make no commitment to update "OUT OF DATE" products.

[Grand Captain Speedy Dash]

Originally posted by Green:

Originally posted by JOHN30011887:

Im glad there are some educated people here that actually look at the longterm issue with denuvo :)

Iv told people of this issue before
-It can ultimately make legit copies unplayable when Denuvo's servers go down

And i also agree with what you said that devs will likely refuse to patch out Denuvo because the game is "too old" and the legit copies would need to be cracked to run.

Some devs dont even care to fix all bugs in a game so i cant see them caring about removing drm from old games either when they would have newer games to focus on

Now, I know what you meant, but to prevent any confusion I'm just gonna clear this up.

The devs (Sonic Team) aren't responsible for putting Denuvo in, that would be the fault of the publisher (SEGA).

Personally I think saying company is the best way to go at it, as to not point any fingers at devs or publishers when it's possible either one was the reason for Denuvo's inclusion.

[Grand Captain Speedy Dash]

Originally posted by Green:

Originally posted by Grand Captain Speedy Dash:

Personally I think saying company is the best way to go at it, as to not point any figures at devs or publishers when it's possible either one was the reason for Denuvo.

Well in this case, we know it's SEGA. Because when Mania's launch went to ♥♥♥♥ the devs were making sure it was known that SEGA pushed that move and that they did not support it.

It's only logical to assume that they did the same here, but this game isn't a passion project made for fans to adore, so Sonic Team didn't feel the need to (or legally couldn't) protest Denuvo's inclusion in Forces.

True

[mdesaleah]

Originally posted by Grand Captain Speedy Dash:

Originally posted by Green:

Well in this case, we know it's SEGA. Because when Mania's launch went to ♥♥♥♥ the devs were making sure it was known that SEGA pushed that move and that they did not support it.

It's only logical to assume that they did the same here, but this game isn't a passion project made for fans to adore, so Sonic Team didn't feel the need to (or legally couldn't) protest Denuvo's inclusion in Forces.

True

Mania was the passion project of a group of fans who got official support. Forces is the Sonic Team game.

[PokeHeadroom]

the game isnt all that good to begin with, just go ahead and pirate it unless you want to buy a 40 dlls oc creator