Is it just me or the lack of super sonic made infinite seem weak?

[Fullmetal]

I mean, the phantom king, in sonic mania,was strong enough to hurt super sonic despite his invulnerability. Being defeated by their normal states made infinite look a lot weaker than he should be

[Doobles]

Infinite is cocky and egotistical, he had too much confidence in his own abilities and it ended up being his downfall multiple times

[Fullmetal]

Originally posted by Doobles³:

Infinite is cocky and egotistical, he had too much confidence in his own abilities and it ended up being his downfall multiple times

It's true, but then again, most of sonic villains are (most villains in general, actually). It just seems he should be stronger, since he uses the same source of power that the phantom king uses

[Kimarnic]

Well,remember the death egg was destroyed, so eggman couldn't make the double of power in Metropolis

[Fullmetal]

Originally posted by Kimarnic:

Well,remember the death egg was destroyed, so eggman couldn't make the double of power in Metropolis

As far as I remember, phantom king used the raw power of the phantom ruby, which infinite also had in his chest
And phantom kng could hurt super sonic, which generally isn't even possible

[OrchidEqvinox76]

For the last time, HE IS NOT WEAK

[Fullmetal]

Originally posted by Bella_the_Kinkajou:

For the last time, HE IS NOT WEAK

"last time"? I posted this 4 days after the game was launched. you are the late one.

anyway, he lost for everyone in his basic form, so...

[Sixtyfivekills]

That's not even the worst part, Chaos got destroyed by Classic Sonic with a mere jump.


They didn't even try to make something unique. Concept and trailer hype were there, but almost nothing was delivered.

[Cross]

Originally posted by Fullmetal:

Originally posted by Kimarnic:

Well,remember the death egg was destroyed, so eggman couldn't make the double of power in Metropolis

As far as I remember, phantom king used the raw power of the phantom ruby, which infinite also had in his chest
And phantom kng could hurt super sonic, which generally isn't even possible

To be fair, what Infinite had wasn't actually the original Phantom Ruby, if I recall, what Infinite has is actually just a finalised version of the Phantom Ruby prototypes.

[MewJAM]

Not only was his backstory underwhelming, but he's probably one of the weakest villains in the series. Which is fine by me, it's unrealistic that each big threat sonic faces would actually get harder and harder to beat. However his power lies in the ability to create illusions, and with that ability he could have done so much more, like it could have been useful for espionage or sabotage. I like to think of Infinite as arrogant and pouty but also calculating and deceptive, it's just too bad we never saw that in the actual game. I also like to think that after the last Infinite fight, the reason he abruptly flies away is because that is actually an illusion Infinite, but he doesn't want Sonic to know that the real Infinite has been unharmed, so he flies away before Sonic can see him disappear.

[MewJAM]

Originally posted by Itsuki:

Originally posted by Fullmetal:

As far as I remember, phantom king used the raw power of the phantom ruby, which infinite also had in his chest
And phantom kng could hurt super sonic, which generally isn't even possible

To be fair, what Infinite had wasn't actually the original Phantom Ruby, if I recall, what Infinite has is actually just a finalised version of the Phantom Ruby prototypes.

And/or the Phantom Ruby actually needs to be charged but can run out of power, which is implied in Forces, similarly to the chaos emeralds in Unleashed. Eggman was able to safely charge the Phantom Ruby at his base Titanic Monarch zone throughout the entire events of Mania. Maybe the reason the Heavy King was trying to steam the M.E. in Knuckles' story is to augment the Ruby's powers even further. Sonic Forces' Eggman played it much more recklessly, counting on Infinite to use much of its' power not long after the final version was even created. Also it's likely he didn't even have the Death Egg at that point, so it was even weaker. The issue is that Mania Eggman could rely on his contraptions as well as the Heavies in their base forms (enhanced by but not using the Phantom Ruby) to fight for him while he could charge the Phantom Ruby thoughout the entirety of the game. Consider that the characters are on Little Planet from Sonic CD in Mania, and it may give him even more time to charge it, with the element of time travel involved. Eggman in Forces was constantly relying on Infinite so we likely did not see his full potential. That and he's physically just weak.

[Crystal Sharrd]

Originally posted by longo mongo bingo bongo:

Not only was his backstory underwhelming, but he's probably one of the weakest villains in the series. Which is fine by me, it's unrealistic that each big threat sonic faces would actually get harder and harder to beat. However his power lies in the ability to create illusions, and with that ability he could have done so much more, like it could have been useful for espionage or sabotage. I like to think of Infinite as arrogant and pouty but also calculating and deceptive, it's just too bad we never saw that in the actual game. I also like to think that after the last Infinite fight, the reason he abruptly flies away is because that is actually an illusion Infinite, but he doesn't want Sonic to know that the real Infinite has been unharmed, so he flies away before Sonic can see him disappear.

Infinite didn't fly away, he was pulled away against his will.

[Fullmetal]

Originally posted by longo mongo bingo bongo:

Not only was his backstory underwhelming, but he's probably one of the weakest villains in the series. Which is fine by me, it's unrealistic that each big threat sonic faces would actually get harder and harder to beat. However his power lies in the ability to create illusions, and with that ability he could have done so much more, like it could have been useful for espionage or sabotage. I like to think of Infinite as arrogant and pouty but also calculating and deceptive, it's just too bad we never saw that in the actual game. I also like to think that after the last Infinite fight, the reason he abruptly flies away is because that is actually an illusion Infinite, but he doesn't want Sonic to know that the real Infinite has been unharmed, so he flies away before Sonic can see him disappear.

It's a good point that not all sonic villains should be getting harder and harder. sonic color's one wasn't harder than unleashed's, but is still good. same could be applied to lost world. the problem I thought was that he was shown as a great powerful villain, which made he, as you said, very underwhelming during the story. he is cocky, yes, but he could have used his illusions better, as you said

[Fullmetal]

Originally posted by longo mongo bingo bongo:

Originally posted by Itsuki:

To be fair, what Infinite had wasn't actually the original Phantom Ruby, if I recall, what Infinite has is actually just a finalised version of the Phantom Ruby prototypes.

And/or the Phantom Ruby actually needs to be charged but can run out of power, which is implied in Forces, similarly to the chaos emeralds in Unleashed. Eggman was able to safely charge the Phantom Ruby at his base Titanic Monarch zone throughout the entire events of Mania. Maybe the reason the Heavy King was trying to steam the M.E. in Knuckles' story is to augment the Ruby's powers even further. Sonic Forces' Eggman played it much more recklessly, counting on Infinite to use much of its' power not long after the final version was even created. Also it's likely he didn't even have the Death Egg at that point, so it was even weaker. The issue is that Mania Eggman could rely on his contraptions as well as the Heavies in their base forms (enhanced by but not using the Phantom Ruby) to fight for him while he could charge the Phantom Ruby thoughout the entirety of the game. Consider that the characters are on Little Planet from Sonic CD in Mania, and it may give him even more time to charge it, with the element of time travel involved. Eggman in Forces was constantly relying on Infinite so we likely did not see his full potential. That and he's physically just weak.

this would mean that not only forces' villains were weaker, they were dumber

[Fullmetal]

Originally posted by sonic65101:

Originally posted by longo mongo bingo bongo:

Not only was his backstory underwhelming, but he's probably one of the weakest villains in the series. Which is fine by me, it's unrealistic that each big threat sonic faces would actually get harder and harder to beat. However his power lies in the ability to create illusions, and with that ability he could have done so much more, like it could have been useful for espionage or sabotage. I like to think of Infinite as arrogant and pouty but also calculating and deceptive, it's just too bad we never saw that in the actual game. I also like to think that after the last Infinite fight, the reason he abruptly flies away is because that is actually an illusion Infinite, but he doesn't want Sonic to know that the real Infinite has been unharmed, so he flies away before Sonic can see him disappear.

Infinite didn't fly away, he was pulled away against his will.

That is true, so much that he said "no, wait, i can still fight"