Jenner and Cicada.. WTM?.

[Dorok]

First I get a Jenner but the time to refit it I get a Cicada and thought great a medium mech that fast.

Then when having to refit the Cicada, I couldn't see the point, same armor protection and same load than the Jenner, more difficulties to define its load. Ok more internal structure for Cicada so parts take more time to be destroyed, that looks short. As I hadn't place in bay, I put it back in storage.

So What's this Mech? Is there a point for Cicada? It was looking like if some RM build wouldn't fit well and otherwise no point for it.

[Strayed]

Cicada 2A is garbage; keep running the Jenner

Cicada 3C is also garbage; keep running that Jenner

Edit: if we could swap out engines, then I would suggest give the Cicada a go and see if you like it; but since we can't swap out armour, structure or engines the Jenner is much better

[2-D]

Jenner is a great traveller and rangefinder, or I'd even suggest the double medium laser of the Spider (or PPC Commando) for a little more sting on a flank. Cicada is a big-little-man, you'd be better off fielding a medium mech.

[Gilius Thunderhead]

Cicada is my main in MWO, it fits me like a glove there. However it's pretty much DOA in this game because we're limited to 3025 level tech.

[Dorok]

So the only point is slower parts destruction than lights and almost as fast? That's weird, I was so happy to find a so fast Medium and it ends be an average Light.

[Gilius Thunderhead]

That's basically the problem people have with it in MWO as well - Too big to be an effective traditional light and too small to be an effective traditional medium.

[Dorok]

Ok I suppose that the positive of pointless mechs is to make more cool those more useful.

[Sentient_Toaster]

*shrug* Maybe if you like the different hardpoints. CDA-3C can have leg-mounted flamethrowers, for instance, if you feel ilke being weird.

If you have the 2A version, you could in theory put 8 JJs on it and do 50-point DFAs, which seems dubious since your legs will max out at 50 structure + 100 armor each. :D

Doesn't seem losing a whole initiative point given that you already had a Jenner. Maybe if your only light was a Locust, say.

[cyäegha]

seems to only be good for knife-fighting

or if you're really strange, or ballsy, you can make it a walking autocannon battery - for the price of literally all of your armor

[Dorok]

Originally posted by Sentient_Toaster:

*shrug* Maybe if you like the different hardpoints. CDA-3C can have leg-mounted flamethrowers, for instance, if you feel ilke being weird.

If you have the 2A version, you could in theory put 8 JJs on it and do 50-point DFAs, which seems dubious since your legs will max out at 50 structure + 100 armor each. :D

Doesn't seem losing a whole initiative point given that you already had a Jenner. Maybe if your only light was a Locust, say.

For now only the 3C. Didn't investigate yet the flamethrowers aspect, expect for enemies, in an intercept convoy mission that turned wild and that last a whole life time.

[Kanjejou]

it can be played like a slightly beffier jenner.
usually having a few more heatsink or a big gun(ppc or LL) without sacrificing too much

[Dorok]

Originally posted by Kanjejou:

it can be played like a slightly beffier jenner.
usually having a few more heatsink or a big gun(ppc or LL) without sacrificing too much

The Cicada 3C has only 0.5 load more than the Jenner, 14 vs 13.5. But its Hardpoints are totally incoherent for such a small load. At reverse the Jenner 7D has Hardpoints much more coherent with its low load, and it is a bit faster. The CIcada 3C has also structures a bit stronger so parts will be destroyed a bit slower. But this doesn't change its awful Hardpoints.

The only point I could see from the 3C would be to make it a fast brawler (sigh), max armor but not for arms, 4 guns, 2 bins, 1 JJ. I hardly see how close range mech can work well at all, but ok I haven't tried this load.

[J.B.King]

Originally posted by Wrathful-Khan:

Cicada is my main in MWO, it fits me like a glove there. However it's pretty much DOA in this game because we're limited to 3025 level tech.

Well, it always sucked in the Tabletop as well. So it's kinda a faithful representation

[wesnef]

Originally posted by Dorok:

So the only point is slower parts destruction than lights and almost as fast? That's weird, I was so happy to find a so fast Medium and it ends be an average Light.

Engine weight grows faster than engine power, as you go up the mech classes. So, yeah - a Really Fast medium loses so much weight to it's engine, that it ends up with weapons & armor like a light.

You see the same thing among medium mechs (4 movement things like the Centurion having more weapon space than 5-move 55-tonners SHawk/Wolverine/Griffin), heavies (5-move Dragon vs the 4-move ones), and assault ("fast" assaults like the Banshee vs all the 3-move mechs)

[Dorok]

Originally posted by wesnef:

Originally posted by Dorok:

So the only point is slower parts destruction than lights and almost as fast? That's weird, I was so happy to find a so fast Medium and it ends be an average Light.

Engine weight grows faster than engine power, as you go up the mech classes. So, yeah - a Really Fast medium loses so much weight to it's engine, that it ends up with weapons & armor like a light.

You see the same thing among medium mechs (4 movement things like the Centurion having more weapon space than 5-move 55-tonners SHawk/Wolverine/Griffin), heavies (5-move Dragon vs the 4-move ones), and assault ("fast" assaults like the Banshee vs all the 3-move mechs)

Sure but in this case, the Hardpoints kill the Cicerion 3C, and for me both Shadow Hawk types are still the best mechs I have, the extra speed is a significant plus and the Hardpoints are very coherent for both models.

[Lack of Stuff]

You can use a Cicada to solo a recovery mission... and that is ALL it is good for. Jenner is a nice light though.