Let's see more mechs

[[APOC] West]

Yes yes, I know that several of the more Iconic 3025 era mechs are in limbo-hell because of the lawsuit, even with HBS getting the deal to be dropped from it. But there are mechs that can be added. was talking to someona bout it, and I realized there is a third 100 ton mech that can make an appearance in game.

The Pillager. The one most people know, with two Gauss Rifles would be a LosTech variant, but given that we have a Highlander with a Gauss Rifle, that isn't too far afield to see. Likewise the other variant of the Pillager which can (and does) exist, is the one that has the 2 AC 20s and loses the XL engine as the Gauss Rifles and Xl Engine tech was lost. Personally, a jumping 100 tonner, and the Pillager to boot, would be interesting to see in game.

[Watchman]

Is that one even Star League? CBA going through all the ROs to check...

[[APOC] West]

Sarna says "3058" but that is when production restarted and that is the TR it appeared in. However lore wise, it existed in SL. They just stopped production when Gauss Rifle and XL Tech was lost, and didn't start back up until the tech was rediscovered. But the version with the 2 AC 20s was the "First" pillager, the one with the Gauss Rifles existed/exists as well, would just be extremely rare.

[Nekonoaijin]

The variant with AC/20s is a SL era 'Mech, basically, it predates the primary variant, which is the PLG-3Z, making it even less likely to still exist.

We don't get a new variant until the 3050s.

[[APOC] West]

The largest BattleMech ever built by HildCo Interplanetary, the Pillager is built as a larger version of the Victor, and is intended for assaulting urban centers and hardened fortifications. These design parameters were paramount as the SLDF mobilized to wage the Reunification War. Later Pillagers were upgraded with more cutting-edge Star League technology. Production of the Pillager halted not because its facility was destroyed, but the advanced Gauss Rifle and XL Engine production lines had been obliterated by the end of the Second Succession War. Curiously, Hildco did not restart production of the original PLG-1N, rather the Pillager lines only began production again in 3058 when advanced components were once again available for the PLG-3Z

http://www.sarna.net/wiki/Pillager

The Dual Gauss Variant did exist, as did the 1N. Acutal production year was 2594. TRO was the 3058.

[Watchman]

Well that answers that, then. Sure wynaut.

[Nekonoaijin]

Originally posted by APOC West:

The Dual Gauss Variant did exist, as did the 1N. Acutal production year was 2594. TRO was the 3058.

Yes, a very long time ago, meaning it is long gone, in all likelihood.

Production of the Pillager halted not because its facility was destroyed, but the advanced Gauss Rifle and XL Engine production lines had been obliterated by the end of the Second Succession War. Curiously, Hildco did not restart production of the original PLG-1N, rather the Pillager lines only began production again in 3058 when advanced components were once again available for the PLG-3Z

is the key point to this discussion.

[Watchman]

something something conveniently forgotten SL storages as usual :P

[[APOC] West]

Originally posted by Nekonoaijin:

Originally posted by APOC West:

The Dual Gauss Variant did exist, as did the 1N. Acutal production year was 2594. TRO was the 3058.

Yes, a very long time ago, meaning it is long gone, in all likelihood.

Given that there is a Highlander with Gauss rifle that you get as part of a LosTech cache, and there are others out there, there really is no reason why more do not exist. Likewise, while the Annihilator was exclusive to the Wolf Dragoons until the 3060s with Wolf-In-Exile, other people did have them, often through loot taken from the Clans that had them or even theoretically at any point after 3009, when the Dragoons were defeated in combat and one was left as a shell. They just weren't -common-.

Rare doesn't mean doesn't exist or can't exist

[Nekonoaijin]

Originally posted by APOC West:

Originally posted by Nekonoaijin:

Yes, a very long time ago, meaning it is long gone, in all likelihood.

Given that there is a Highlander with Gauss rifle that you get as part of a LosTech cache, and there are others out there, there really is no reason why more do not exist. Likewise, while the Annihilator was exclusive to the Wolf Dragoons until the 3060s with Wolf-In-Exile, other people did have them, often through loot taken from the Clans that had them or even theoretically at any point after 3009, when the Dragoons were defeated in combat and one was left as a shell. They just weren't -common-.

Rare doesn't mean doesn't exist or can't exist

It does mean we should not see them, however. I can just about accept finding one, in a convenient SLDF cache, mysteriously missed till now, and out in the Periphery ... but no, per the OP's original comment.

[Nekonoaijin]

Originally posted by Watchman:

something something conveniently forgotten SL storages as usual :P

Pretty much, and that's a bad enough stretch as it is. Still, it's just a game :P

[[APOC] West]

Originally posted by Nekonoaijin:

Originally posted by Watchman:

something something conveniently forgotten SL storages as usual :P

Pretty much, and that's a bad enough stretch as it is. Still, it's just a game :P

So, using your logic, we shouldn't have the Highlander that we do get in game, and that varient shouldn't exist in game. Because the Gauss Rifle does not exist at this time and era. And you know, the Helm Memory Core being found by mercenaries can't have happened. Or a likewise SL Fortress being forgotten about can't exist.

How exactly do you think Periphary pirates arm themselves with heavier mechs outside of the ComStar's Jolly Roger debacle?

[[APOC] West]

Food for thought: Had ComStar found the Memory Core and secured it before the Grey Death Legion, then not only would the Clans -hillariously- have stomped on the Inner Sphere so hard that nothing stopped them, but Com Star themselves wouldn't have been able to to actually pull off Tukayyid or anything approaching it, because ComStar's Modus Operandi has always been 'Technology for us, destroy it before anyone else gets it" and that's what would have happened on Helm.

And the "Technological Reneaissance" of the 3025+ era wouldn't have happened. No Hatchetman, nothing else, and no new Mechs, instead more mechs just getting steadily more and more frankenstein-like. At least until the clans did arrive in 3048 and then just destroy everything forever.

[Nekonoaijin]

Originally posted by APOC West:

Originally posted by Nekonoaijin:

Pretty much, and that's a bad enough stretch as it is. Still, it's just a game :P

So, using your logic, we shouldn't have the Highlander that we do get in game, and that varient shouldn't exist in game. Because the Gauss Rifle does not exist at this time and era. And you know, the Helm Memory Core being found by mercenaries can't have happened. Or a likewise SL Fortress being forgotten about can't exist.

How exactly do you think Periphary pirates arm themselves with heavier mechs outside of the ComStar's Jolly Roger debacle?

So, you're coming over as a bit of an idiot here.

The Helm Memory Core is 3028, so no, it has not happened yet (when you start), and when it does happen, it's a long way away and it takes a lot of time to put it to good use.

Per the lore, HGN-732 became extinct (original variant), but they built HGN-733s through the 3030s. So, yes, it absolutely should exist; it is still in ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ production.

[Watchman]

To be fair, "found an old SL era cache" is actually a valid explanation for owning a 'Mech in the RPG and can be rolled randomly in the Lifepath system...
Subject to GM approval of course.

[Nekonoaijin]

Originally posted by Watchman:

To be fair, "found an old SL era cache" is actually a valid explanation for owning a 'Mech in the RPG and can be rolled randomly in the Lifepath system...
Subject to GM approval of course.

Naturally. Just a bit cheesy, but as I said, it *is* a game. And by definition, our characters are special. You just don't want them to be *too* special, or else what is the point? Just say "I win" and play something else.