Polish Legions - Squad Proposition

[Tehrozer]

So i would like to make a case for a Polish squad for Central Powers. There were quite a lot Polish Units during WW1 to the point that there was one on every side by armies of any major power. Central Powers units saw the most action and were the most interesting/relevant of them all. The most famous out of CPs Polish units was Austro-Hungarian based Polish Legion formed as soon as the war started. It was a fully separate unit created mostly out of Polish pre-war paramilitary organisations. The Legions were very helpfull in the war taking part in many operations for which they were praised by both German and Austrian Generals. I am not going to describe the whole story here but you are free to read about them here https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Polish_Legions_in_World_War_I. I think they would be a great addition to the game so im going to show possible equipement and what role could they play:

1) Polish Legions
Type: Assault
( This unit would be inspired by Polish Legions offensives and Legions Uhlans Formations )
And it could look like this!
https://imgur.com/wLHRyHP

Oficer Weapons:
1- Mannlicher Kavalerie Repetier-Carabiner M1895, Binoculars, M17 Sabre
2- Mannlicher–Schönauer M1903/1914, Binoculars, M17 Sabre
3- Steyr-Hahn M1912, M17 Sabre, Rohrhandgranate (alt) "Frag"

Ułan Weapons:
1- Mannlicher Kavalerie Repetier-Carabiner M1895, M17 Sabre
2- Mannlicher M1895, M17 Sabre
3- Werndl Carabiner M1873/77( !!! It is a carbine version unlike the Werndl present in the game !!! ), M17 Sabre

Strzelec Weapons:
1- Mannlicher M1886-88, Roth-Steyr M1907
2- Mosin-Nagant M1891 ( A-H conversion to 8mm or original ), Rast & Gasser M1898
3- Mannlicher Kavalerie Repetier-Carabiner M1895, M17 Sabre, Rohrhandgranate (alt) "Frag"

Grenadier Weapons:
1- Mannlicher Kavalerie Repetier-Carabiner M1895, Rohrhandgranate (neu) "HE"
2- Rast & Gasser M1898, Rohrhandgranate (neu) "HE" X2, M17 Sabre
3- Mannlicher M1886-88, M17 Sabre, Rohrhandgranate (alt) "Frag" X2



2) Polish Legions
Type: Infantry
( This unit would be inspired by Polish Legions Infantry famously named "Grey Infantry" )
And it could look like this!
https://imgur.com/5Zjz8Rx

Oficer Weapons:
1- Mannlicher Kavalerie Repetier-Carabiner M1895, Binoculars, M17 Sabre
2- Mannlicher–Schönauer M1903/1914, Binoculars, M17 Sabre
3- Steyr-Hahn M1912, M17 Sabre, Rohrhandgranate (alt) "Frag"

Piechota Weapons:
1- Mannlicher M1886-88+Bayonet, M17 Sabre
2- Mannlicher M1895, M17 Sabre
3- Werndl Carabiner M1873/77+Bayonet ( !!! It is a carbine version unlike the Werndl present in the game !!! )

Strzelec Weapons:
1- Mannlicher M1886-88+Bayonet, Frommer Stop
2- Mosin-Nagant M1891+Bayonet ( A-H conversion to 8mm or original )
3- Mannlicher Kavalerie Repetier-Carabiner M1895, Rohrhandgranate (alt) "Frag"

Grenadier Weapons:
1- Mannlicher M1895, Rohrhandgranate (neu) "HE"
2- Mannlicher–Schönauer M1903/1914, Rohrhandgranate (neu) "HE" X2, M17 Sabre
3- Rast & Gasser M1898, M17 Sabre, Rohrhandgranate (alt) "Frag" X3


I won't be going into uniforms since that is pretty straigth forward in this case but there are few possible battles associated with the legions that could be made into separate maps.
https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/f/f1/Legiony_1914-1916.png
I will point out 4 that deserve a mention:
* https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Laski_and_Anielin

* https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Jastk%C3%B3w

* https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Kostiuchn%C3%B3wka

* https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_the_Vistula_River ( Specifically the engagment north of Cracow https://pl.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bitwa_pod_Krakowem )


Post Scriptum:
I will use this post to also say two things that were bugging me for quite some time.
A) Could Germans please get more bayonets? Its quite weird to have them mostly use shovels.
B) Could we please get a mechanic that allows you to do something akin to a mele charge, eg. sprint while having mele weapon ready to strike as soon as you stop.


Thank you for reading and have a nice day!

[piotrek91]

M17 sabre was used by polnische wermacht, not by polish legions

[Sgt.Geralt]

There are post like "uuuuh gib XY squad would be cool, pwetty pwease" and then there's THIS. Massive work and research done here, I am in favor of both Finns and Polish Legions, when you put it this way, coherently and clearly it should really be at least considered by the devs. Thumbs up, bardzo ladne :)

[Tehrozer]

Originally posted by piotrek91:

M17 sabre was used by polnische wermacht, not by polish legions

Yes and no. The Sabre was created for Polnische Wermchat but was used a lot by Legions too ( As PW was supposed to be formed out of Legions anyway ). It might not be truly accurate to use M17 but i used it for the “cool” factor. Austrian Sabre would be more accurate i guess i leave that decision to the Devs.

[Nedly Dedly]

Pretty nice thread! Would be interesting to see what Bishop would say about this.

[Joke]

I agree with you,the thought is pretty cool and nice!

[DerRitter]

This makes sense.

[LV|Ironstorm767]

Did Austria-Hungary employ any heavier high explosive grenades?

IMO, I think if the Polish Legion was an Assault Type: They should at least have a decent counterpart to the heavier Lantern Grenade and x6 Geballte Ladung.

Sidenote: A secondary minor thing would be a counterpart to the Nebelbombe/Chemical Grenade.

However, I think personally I'd just go with the Infantry squad type. (Less work/time put into making some many new weapons.)

[B8B3B]

Originally posted by LV|Ironstorm767:

Did Austria-Hungary employ any heavier high explosive grenades?

the K.u.K. are still missing one of their most common (but not very good) grenades, the zeitzünderhandgranate: http://lexpev.nl/grenades/europe/austria/zeitzuenderhandgranate.html

[silmeth]

> Piechota

I’d rather call this unit ‘Piechur’ (footman, infantryman) instead of ‘Piechota’ (infantry), to be consistent with ‘Strzelec’, ‘Ułan’, and ‘Oficer’ (also, shouldn’t that rather be ‘Podoficer’ (NCO)? – not sure what was the Polish terminology during WW1, but I think the word ‘podoficer’ was in use).

[Tehrozer]

Originally posted by silmeth:

> Piechota

I’d rather call this unit ‘Piechur’ (footman, infantryman) instead of ‘Piechota’ (infantry), to be consistent with ‘Strzelec’, ‘Ułan’, and ‘Oficer’ (also, shouldn’t that rather be ‘Podoficer’ (NCO)? – not sure what was the Polish terminology during WW1, but I think the word ‘podoficer’ was in use).

For christ sake yes it should be Piechur my brain seemingly forgot that word exists ;P Welp ill be doing a edit later and i could fix few things. As to Oficer/Podoficer i am in no way a expert in terminology of the time and i went with what seemed best at the moment, personally i think it could be either of those as both were used afaik. I really dont have the lust to go around digging up terminology i spent hours on research on weapons alone to make sure they make sense. And thank you again for your inpunt i spent good 20 minutes alone pondering why Piechota seems wrong for some reason i guess i had a bad case of dead brain as it was pretty late and i was tired.

[Tehrozer]

Originally posted by LV|Ironstorm767:

Did Austria-Hungary employ any heavier high explosive grenades?

IMO, I think if the Polish Legion was an Assault Type: They should at least have a decent counterpart to the heavier Lantern Grenade and x6 Geballte Ladung.

Sidenote: A secondary minor thing would be a counterpart to the Nebelbombe/Chemical Grenade.

However, I think personally I'd just go with the Infantry squad type. (Less work/time put into making some many new weapons.)

I never really thought about adding new grenade types partly because i had no information on what types Polish Legions had and partly because i didn’t think about that. Still it is a very good suggestion. As far as i can see with a quick search and by looking at Temujin comment there are few more A-H made grenades that could be used. I could try to add new types in a later edit of the post but it would be hard to balance? Idk ill try to ask around for more info on explosives and we will see.

[Yuithgf]

Originally posted by LV|Ironstorm767:

Did Austria-Hungary employ any heavier high explosive grenades?

IMO, I think if the Polish Legion was an Assault Type: They should at least have a decent counterpart to the heavier Lantern Grenade and x6 Geballte Ladung.

Sidenote: A secondary minor thing would be a counterpart to the Nebelbombe/Chemical Grenade.

id argue the gas and smoke grenades are way more iconic of the assault squads than the big explosive grenades.
but TBH i think we have enoguh assault, there is so much gas in the game right now... one single assault squad NCO can have 3 whitecross gas clouds at the same time.
and i say that while i love the infanterie, it is one of the funniest squads to play IMO

[DerRitter]

Funniest? lol

[Tehrozer]

Originally posted by Yuithgf:

Originally posted by LV|Ironstorm767:

Did Austria-Hungary employ any heavier high explosive grenades?

IMO, I think if the Polish Legion was an Assault Type: They should at least have a decent counterpart to the heavier Lantern Grenade and x6 Geballte Ladung.

Sidenote: A secondary minor thing would be a counterpart to the Nebelbombe/Chemical Grenade.

id argue the gas and smoke grenades are way more iconic of the assault squads than the big explosive grenades.
but TBH i think we have enoguh assault, there is so much gas in the game right now... one single assault squad NCO can have 3 whitecross gas clouds at the same time.
and i say that while i love the infanterie, it is one of the funniest squads to play IMO

We could always have a assault with long arty drops with low damage/high spread. It would be fun to have something like 15 round small calibre arty call ins or something.

Just thinking about stuff that could be added. Im pretty much totally neutral on what type this squad will be in the end.

[Grand Historian]

Thanks for all the hard work you put into this.