Polish Squads?

[Baszchuk]

I was wondering if you guys would be considering putting Polish units within the game, as both Germany and Russia had parts of Poland at this time, and Tannenberg is within Poland today.

It could be similar to conscript squads, maybe like the recon squads like the Aplenjagers, and the French Aplines troops, and the highlanders.

Maybe a defense squad like the Belgians?

You could choose yourself which side they fight for if you like the idea, but Since it is fought in modern day Poland, and the Polish were most certainly there, I would suggest that they receive some consideration!

If you would want more information at all, please let me know. I have studied the Polish for 9 years and even a game slightly noting their contribution to WW1 would be nice. I can provide sources and even find pics. Just let me know.


In other news.. If there is room in a beta or alpha, I would looooove to try it out and give feedback. ill even pay for it early haha.

Have a great day, and let me know what you think, and we can hash his out ;)

Baszchuk

[Bishop]

They weren't mercenaries, they were citizens of other states and fought in their forces, so they are part of the basic armies of Russia, Germany and Austro-Hungary.

There was a small formation 1916-18 for Germany. They had some other units from 1914 fighting for the Central powers but they had issues with small size, equipment and some refusing to fight.

So I don't think it fits the criteria for a squad it's self.

[Baszchuk]

Originally posted by Bishop:

They weren't mercenaries, they were citizens of other states and fought in their forces, so they are part of the basic armies of Russia, Germany and Austro-Hungary.

There was a small formation 1916-18 for Germany. They had some other units from 1914 fighting for the Central powers but they had issues with small size, equipment and some refusing to fight.

So I don't think it fits the criteria for a squad it's self.

Mercenaries is absolutely the wrong word to use there, and that is my bad. Its early here for me, and I just woke up haha! Squad is what I mean! Quick note that i am changing the discussion title now.

I am aware that many refused to fight and it was because they wanted their own national identity on the political map. But either way, Poles were at Tannenberg, and both sides forced recruitment, and even had some volunteers.

I appreciate you checking it out though, just putting options out there!

Please dont shut down on this idea right away though. I believe it deserves more time. If i provide some sources to look at would that be helpful? I know that you wouldnt make a decision right here and now obviously.

Let me know and thanks for looking at my post!

Baszchuk

[Baszchuk]

This is just a little taste of what I mean, and it touches briefly on what I am suggesting.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DPm3S6iqJxg
Perhaps Galicean Polish squads, or Russian-Polish squads.

This is another video by the same group, and I think you all know them ;)
This video provides a lot of context before getting to the Poles. I also saw some posts about Romania and thought it gave good info on that as well. It does not provide a lot more info on the Poles though. I will be posting more soon.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KNgxKM2Pym0

[Baszchuk]

this is a paragraph from https://www.quora.com/What-role-did-Poland-play-in-WW1:
"Finally, a last point is that Poland, as all too often happens, served as battlefield. The war began in the East when Russia invaded East Prussia's Masurian Lakes region -- which then and now are Polish-majority regions -- ending disastrously for Russia in the Battle(s) of Tannenberg. Russian, German and Austro-Hungarian forces would fight it out over the next few months in the Carpathian Mountains area (again, heavily populated by Poles, as well as Ukrainians, Slovaks, Romanians, Hungarians and others) until by mid-1915 the Germans were able to push the Russians out of Russian Poland. This meant that Polish refugees fled the fighting, and lots of Polish property was damaged or destroyed. The Russians came back in the summer of 1916, only to be pushed out again in 1917-1918. Some two million Poles served in the imperial armies: of Russia, of Austria-Hungary, and of Germany. (These returning veterans in 1918-1919 also helped bolster the Blue Army's ranks of experienced soldiers.) Most of the damage of 1914-1918 was in the countryside, leaving most Polish cities fairly untouched (certainly compared to what would come in World War II), but it did severely disrupt agriculture, transportation and communications after the war. "

2 million men is nothing to look past, in my opinion!

Btw, I am gunna fight hard for this haha! And even if nothing happens, we all leave with a bit more appreciation for the Poles in WW1.

Also, the Blue army, maybe a Verdun update squad? no no that's too far.. getting too caught up right now haha.

[Baszchuk]

http://encyclopedia.1914-1918-online.net/article/polish_legions

Though later disbanded because they would not swear loyalty to another, three years of war on the Eastern front for the Polish Legion in important campaigns is notable for sure.

http://encyclopedia.1914-1918-online.net/article/warfare_1914-1918_east_central_europe

[Bishop]

They did, but as I said they often were part of standard units that didn't get a Polish name. The way we have Welsh and Irish covered by the Tommies squad in Verdun.

[Baszchuk]

My first post involving the encyclopedia page covers a group called the Polish Legion

If you guys already have your squads, i get it, but maybe a later update or something.

Thanks for reading it though. i appreciate it

[Kyler]

i love poland plz add poland

[Poiret -RU]

- )) Then following the logic it is necessary to create - Czech Latvian Serbian Greek .... and other formations within the Russian army...
Romanians Bulgarians Serbs Greeks Turks Montenegrins Armenians and many others ...
ALL nationalities of the First World War.
And we will drown

[Kyler]

Originally posted by Poiret 7 BCA -RU:

- )) Then following the logic it is necessary to create - Czech Latvian Serbian Greek .... and other formations within the Russian army...
Romanians Bulgarians Serbs Greeks Turks Montenegrins Armenians and many others ...
ALL nationalities of the First World War.
And we will drown

the polish did more stuff than these guys and are more recognized so no your logic is bad
besides verdun added the scottish and not the irish and welsh
bad terrible logic

edit: they were also created a little state in ww1, were all these greeks and serbs created states within the russian empire? also, the scottish were never even independent/had a puppet state in the world war one, yet they had a whole squad dedicated to them in verdun
so i think its safe to say poland should be added to tannenberg

[Bishop]

Originally posted by Kyler99809:

Originally posted by Poiret 7 BCA -RU:

- )) Then following the logic it is necessary to create - Czech Latvian Serbian Greek .... and other formations within the Russian army...
Romanians Bulgarians Serbs Greeks Turks Montenegrins Armenians and many others ...
ALL nationalities of the First World War.
And we will drown

the polish did more stuff than these guys and are more recognized so no your logic is bad
besides verdun added the scottish and not the irish and welsh
bad terrible logic

edit: they were also created a little state in ww1, were all these greeks and serbs created states within the russian empire? also, the scottish were never even independent/had a puppet state in the world war one, yet they had a whole squad dedicated to them in verdun
so i think its safe to say poland should be added to tannenberg

Scots had a more specific role and unique weapon compared to the Welsh and Irish.

[Kyler]

Originally posted by Bishop:

Originally posted by Kyler99809:

the polish did more stuff than these guys and are more recognized so no your logic is bad
besides verdun added the scottish and not the irish and welsh
bad terrible logic

edit: they were also created a little state in ww1, were all these greeks and serbs created states within the russian empire? also, the scottish were never even independent/had a puppet state in the world war one, yet they had a whole squad dedicated to them in verdun
so i think its safe to say poland should be added to tannenberg

Scots had a more specific role and unique weapon compared to the Welsh and Irish.

this thread isn't about the scots. its about adding the polish faction to tannenberg. please add something more on topic to the thread

also, the reason why i mentioned the scots to my previous post was because the scots never even had a state within great britain during ww1 nor has a state nowadays, yet poland had a state during 1917-1918 so it would be unfair to not list the polish in this game. if you say 1917-1918 was such a small time period and it would be pointless to add them, explain why you guys added the doughboys and u.s. marines (also, there were squads before 1917 dedicated to the polish people).

[Bishop]

Originally posted by Kyler99809:

Originally posted by Bishop:

Scots had a more specific role and unique weapon compared to the Welsh and Irish.

this thread isn't about the scots. its about adding the polish faction to tannenberg. please add something more on topic to the thread

also, the reason why i mentioned the scots to my previous post was because the scots never even had a state within great britain during ww1 nor has a state nowadays, yet poland had a state during 1917-1918 so it would be unfair to not list the polish in this game. if you say 1917-1918 was such a small time period and it would be pointless to add them, explain why you guys added the doughboys and u.s. marines (also, there were squads before 1917 dedicated to the polish people).

I mention them to explain why they were added and Poland seems unlikely.

Poland didn't have a real state during the war Germany made a proxy nation which failed spectacurly, when they formed the proxy nation most of the soldiers refused to swear loyalty to Kaiser Wilhelm II and were treated aking to PoWs, shrinking the size of their force.

Having a "state" isn't reason to be in game. Newfoundland, South Africa, Australia and New Zealand each had their own state during WW1 and didn't feature in game and fought on the Western front.

Again reaso nthey were added is first the US saw huge amount of service (around 1 million men in France by the end of the war) and secondly they brought a lot of new gameplay. Nothing to do with having a nation state.

[Kyler]

quote from wikipedia
"A total of 2 million Polish troops fought with the armies of the three occupying powers, 450,000 died and close to one million were wounded."
this means that 2 million polish people fought with the three armies on the eastern front. austria hungary, germany, and russia. 2 million polish people is more than 1 million united state soldiers. also, south africa, newfoundland, australia, new zealand were all apart of the british empire. you could also say poland was apart of the german empire, but there were divisions dedicated to poland on all 3 sides in the actual war like how in verdun theres a division/squad dedicated to the scottish

EDIT: heres most of the divisions on the sides

RUSSIA
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blue_Army_(Poland)
first, second, third, fourth and fifth rifle divisions to the russian army, polish 1st and 2nd corps
these guys also fought on the western front

AUSTRIA-HUNGARY
3 polish brigades, 13 uhlan regiments

austro-hungarian polish legions uniform, 2nd uhlan regiment
https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/b/bc/Uniform_of_2nd_Uhlan_Regiment_of_Polish_Legions_%281914-1918%29.PNG

GERMANY
10th division, 35th division, 119th division, 121st division, 214th division, 235th division, 5th reserve division, 46th reserve division and 47th reserve division.

"Several hundred thousand Polish civilians were moved to labor camps in Germany, and 800,000 were deported by the Tsarist forces to the East". these guys were hard workers you see, quote from wikipedia

and my final argument is that alot of action on the eastern front took place in poland. thank you for your time

[Bishop]

Originally posted by Kyler99809:

quote from wikipedia
"A total of 2 million Polish troops fought with the armies of the three occupying powers, 450,000 died and close to one million were wounded."
this means that 2 million polish people fought with the three armies on the eastern front. austria hungary, germany, and russia. 2 million polish people is more than 1 million united state soldiers. also, south africa, newfoundland, australia, new zealand were all apart of the british empire. you could also say poland was apart of the german empire, but there were divisions dedicated to poland on all 3 sides in the actual war like how in verdun theres a division/squad dedicated to the scottish

EDIT: heres most of the divisions on the sides

RUSSIA
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blue_Army_(Poland)
first, second, third, fourth and fifth rifle divisions to the russian army, polish 1st and 2nd corps
these guys also fought on the western front

AUSTRIA-HUNGARY
3 polish brigades, 13 uhlan regiments

GERMANY
10th division, 35th division, 119th division, 121st division, 214th division, 235th division, 5th reserve division, 46th reserve division and 47th reserve division.

"Several hundred thousand Polish civilians were moved to labor camps in Germany, and 800,000 were deported by the Tsarist forces to the East". these guys were hard workers you see, quote from wikipedia

and my final argument is that alot of action on the eastern front took place in poland. thank you for your time

Polish doesn't mean Polish legion. Second as you say they fought in all 3 armies fighting in the area. So a "Polish" squad doesn't work when it could be 3 different varrients depending on which army, and that's ignoring all the subtypes of those as well due to reforms and where they joined up.

Polish Kingdom then was part of the German Empire. The nations I listed of the British Empire had a lot more freedom than the Kingdom of Poland and the Polish people did during the war.

Lastly still nothing to make them in to a squad. No unique role and weapons.