Elite types.

[Mattman]

so a lesser whisp got the new elite buff, the grass thing. i was on round 7 beat the boss and was wrecking adds then a lesser whisp with the new elite ability 1 shot me on Rex with full health hitting -519 hp after death.

it's bull to allow lesser whisps to have a elite buff that can ruin a whole entire run for you.

[Jenkem Junkie]

Just gonna preface this by saying Lesser Wisps release a shotgun volley when they attack. There's a decent chance you could've taken two or more of the shots.

As for Greater Wisps, they have individual damage numbers for impact and explosions they're pretty much the only enemy capable of one hit killing you in the game and that usually comes down to you not paying attention to the giant green skull firing projectiles at you.

Finally, for the elite ability, knock them into walls. Deals with them real fast. Or stack up on old guillotines either way will do ya.

[Mattman]

引用自 Jеnkеm Junkiе：

Just gonna preface this by saying Lesser Wisps release a shotgun volley when they attack. There's a decent chance you could've taken two or more of the shots.

As for Greater Wisps, they have individual damage numbers for impact and explosions they're pretty much the only enemy capable of one hit killing you in the game and that usually comes down to you not paying attention to the giant green skull firing projectiles at you.

Finally, for the elite ability, knock them into walls. Deals with them real fast. Or stack up on old guillotines either way will do ya.

that's cute considering it was the lesser whisp not the BIG whisp. not to mention it used it's lock on ability and hit 1500 on me, we're talking about my run and my experience. in which you didn't experience. thanks for trying to put a logical reasoning behind the fact a lesser whisp can get a OP elite Buff and 1 shot a TANK built Rex. have a good day sir.

[Jenkem Junkie]

引用自 SieEhmBe：

引用自 Jеnkеm Junkiе：

Just gonna preface this by saying Lesser Wisps release a shotgun volley when they attack. There's a decent chance you could've taken two or more of the shots.

As for Greater Wisps, they have individual damage numbers for impact and explosions they're pretty much the only enemy capable of one hit killing you in the game and that usually comes down to you not paying attention to the giant green skull firing projectiles at you.

Finally, for the elite ability, knock them into walls. Deals with them real fast. Or stack up on old guillotines either way will do ya.

that's cute considering it was the lesser whisp not the BIG whisp. not to mention it used it's lock on ability and hit 1500 on me, we're not talking about my run and my experience. in which you didn't experience. thanks for trying to put a logical reasoning behind the fact a lesser whisp can get a OP elite Buff and 1 shot a TANK built Rex. have a good day sir.

Have you ever noticed that lesser wisps fire a volley of 3 shots and not just one? Literally fixed your own problem right in your callout to me.

[Derpykat5]

how does that fix the problem? it's still one attack. That's like saying shotguns in any FPS ever Can't one-shot because they shoot multiple projectiles. Wisps being able to kill you in one attack with the right elite buff is the problem here.

honestly, I have never seen somebody not get one-shot by a Malachite elite. Playing huntress, drizzle, Malachite hermit crab takes off all of my health instantaneously. Malachite beetle swatted my engineer friend out of existence (again, drizzle). Malachite lemurian ended two teammate's lives (this one was rainstorm though).

you can even say "blah blah one-shot-protection blah blah", but in all of those cases, the victims were not at full health. Even so, the fact that an enemy can take off 90% of your health in one hit is still unfair.

[Jenkem Junkie]

引用自 derpykat5：

how does that fix the problem? it's still one attack. That's like saying shotguns in any FPS ever Can't one-shot because they shoot multiple projectiles. Wisps being able to kill you in one attack with the right elite buff is the problem here.

honestly, I have never seen somebody not get one-shot by a Malachite elite. Playing huntress, drizzle, Malachite hermit crab takes off all of my health instantaneously. Malachite beetle swatted my engineer friend out of existence (again, drizzle). Malachite lemurian ended two teammate's lives (this one was rainstorm though).

you can even say "blah blah one-shot-protection blah blah", but in all of those cases, the victims were not at full health. Even so, the fact that an enemy can take off 90% of your health in one hit is still unfair.

The only enemies capable of oneshotting are the wisp series.
Lessers because of the volley they fire and Greaters because the damage is divided between the initial impact and the explosion. As for getting oneshot by malachite spikes, I can't say I've had that happen to me but they seem dangerous so I'll take your word for it.

As for how to fix these problems? I don't know, I'm not a game developer. Maybe you should submit some feedback in the feedback forum.

[Thug Killadome]

They're absolutely busted. Malachite lesser wisps are probably the most unfair of any malachite due to their hitscan shotgun attack. Because of this, I try to prepare for them before they show up by:
1. grabbing primordial cube + pray i get more than 1 will-o-wisp
2. grabbinig royal capacitor and hope it slams them into the floor for the bonus damage
3. Hope the game was nice enough to give me a few guillotines instead of 7 fireworks

Things you can try not related to busted RNG reliant item strats:
1.REX can push them into walls, but you're playing a game of chicken at that point.
2.Commando's ult can shove them into walls too, and is probably the easiest way to kill one.
3.As long as you keep your cooldowns up so you're always either invincible or out of range, Merc can put up with them somewhat. The i-frames of blinding dash let you pass through spikes and I think is the only way to "destroy" them.

[crab.king274]

引用自 SieEhmBe：

the grass thing

Best insult to a strong enemy I've ever seen.




"You planted grass?"

[manafusion]

引用自 derpykat5：

how does that fix the problem? it's still one attack. That's like saying shotguns in any FPS ever Can't one-shot because they shoot multiple projectiles. Wisps being able to kill you in one attack with the right elite buff is the problem here.

honestly, I have never seen somebody not get one-shot by a Malachite elite. Playing huntress, drizzle, Malachite hermit crab takes off all of my health instantaneously. Malachite beetle swatted my engineer friend out of existence (again, drizzle). Malachite lemurian ended two teammate's lives (this one was rainstorm though).

you can even say "blah blah one-shot-protection blah blah", but in all of those cases, the victims were not at full health. Even so, the fact that an enemy can take off 90% of your health in one hit is still unfair.

You really want to know who's on top of their game this update? Mercenary. He's ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ things up real amazing. Why? R is an invul state and does insane damage because the amount of hits scales with Attack Speed and thus making procs insanely effective. Shift is another Invul State that lets you dash again when you dash past an enemy (and deal damage, might I add) for up to three times per stock. What Malachite Wisp? Those are his breakfast. No, his only downside is that Imp Overlords, Elder Lemurians and Magma Worms forces him to actually need to reposition and use his abilities well enough to avoid any damage from them.

Oh, and to add to those spices, they fixed the double cooldown bug on his Shift and gave his Invul state the ability to ignore proc application. Don't tell me that's not amazing.

引用自 SieEhmBe：

that's cute considering it was the lesser whisp not the BIG whisp. not to mention it used it's lock on ability and hit 1500 on me, we're talking about my run and my experience. in which you didn't experience. thanks for trying to put a logical reasoning behind the fact a lesser whisp can get a OP elite Buff and 1 shot a TANK built Rex. have a good day sir.

Malachite enemies are meant to counter Tank builds. Pure tank will fail against Malachite as you take too long to kill them whilst they can negate your healing and kill you easily. It's better to go Brooch + All Offensive for the late-game.

[crab.king274]

Oh, I thought that double cooldown on Mercenary was intentional, since you use it twice, you get double cooldown. Makes sense.

[Mattman]

in a RNGesus game, you can't choose a build... if the game gives me 6 teddies, 5 medkits, 3 brooches, and 4 personal shield generators, i have limited control on how i can build, using those pick 3 things, which have either trash in it or a usefull item either for me or my friend, you just can't pick a build to even say the bull as "you didn't have enough damage" may i repeat I REKT THE BOSS SO FAST it was like 7 seconds before they were dead, my damage was insane because rex is OPAF with the build i had, and the 3 volley shots, after you die, you can't get damaged anymore, if i have 1k hp "full" not only did i die from the volley shot... if over killed me by SO much... and if i can't get damaged after death. how the F would i have -519 hp from a POS baby whisp that is considered the most trash enemy in the game?

why would malachite enemies spawn in before ELITE bosses when a malachite enemy has more hp and damage than a elite boss?

it's obviously a bad balance issue on the developers side.

rename the game to risk of malachites

[crab.king274]

引用自 SieEhmBe：

in a RNGesus game, you can't choose a build... if the game gives me 6 teddies, 5 medkits, 3 brooches, and 4 personal shield generators, i have limited control on how i can build, using those pick 3 things, which have either trash in it or a usefull item either for me or my friend, you just can't pick a build to even say the bull as "you didn't have enough damage" may i repeat I REKT THE BOSS SO FAST it was like 7 seconds before they were dead, my damage was insane because rex is OPAF with the build i had, and the 3 volley shots, after you die, you can't get damaged anymore, if i have 1k hp "full" not only did i die from the volley shot... if over killed me by SO much... and if i can't get damaged after death. how the F would i have -519 hp from a POS baby whisp that is considered the most trash enemy in the game?

why would malachite enemies spawn in before ELITE bosses when a malachite enemy has more hp and damage than a elite boss?

it's obviously a bad balance issue on the developers side.

rename the game to risk of malachites

Risk of Salt.

[Mattman]

can't help the fact i live by the beach.

the ocean is so salty because everyday it waves at the land and the land doesn't wave back.

pointing out something in a serious manner may make me look like a dk, but i'm sorry for making points about a imbalance in a game. read the forums.

sorry for being honest... well actually im not. enjoy Mr. crabs.

[Thug Killadome]

引用自 crab.king274：

引用自 SieEhmBe：

in a RNGesus game, you can't choose a build... if the game gives me 6 teddies, 5 medkits, 3 brooches, and 4 personal shield generators, i have limited control on how i can build, using those pick 3 things, which have either trash in it or a usefull item either for me or my friend, you just can't pick a build to even say the bull as "you didn't have enough damage" may i repeat I REKT THE BOSS SO FAST it was like 7 seconds before they were dead, my damage was insane because rex is OPAF with the build i had, and the 3 volley shots, after you die, you can't get damaged anymore, if i have 1k hp "full" not only did i die from the volley shot... if over killed me by SO much... and if i can't get damaged after death. how the F would i have -519 hp from a POS baby whisp that is considered the most trash enemy in the game?

why would malachite enemies spawn in before ELITE bosses when a malachite enemy has more hp and damage than a elite boss?

it's obviously a bad balance issue on the developers side.

rename the game to risk of malachites

Risk of Salt.

Except he's 100% correct? It's laughable when people talk about "builds" in this game as if the RNG didn't allow them the items they had to begin with. Builds in this game are just surviving long until the game eventually coughs up what you need. When a terminal shows up you obviously should consider what you currently need and what synergizes best with what you have, but those are ultimately RNG, too. Had a game not long ago where after an hour, the game tossed me 8 fireworks and only a 1 syringe, guillotine, and glasses. Had 2 Aegis and not a single leeching seed or scythe to make it usable. Stages had tons of money capsules, printers, and drones but only a couple of actual chests in any given level.

Malachite Lesser wisps are flat out the most dangerous elite currently. Their hitscan shotgun laughs at the idea of oneshot protection and if one decides to fire at you from behind, you're toast. They're an absolute terror unless you can vaporize them instantly (which is reliant on having gotten enough guillotines to trivialize encounters with them or at least having royal capacitor to smash them into the dirt). They're almost as bad as pre-patch Blazing Titan, just with an ant-sized hitbox and an actually unavoidable attack.

[Mattman]

dud

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引用自 crab.king274：

Risk of Salt.

Except he's 100% correct? It's laughable when people talk about "builds" in this game as if the RNG didn't allow them the items they had to begin with. Builds in this game are just surviving long until the game eventually coughs up what you need. When a terminal shows up you obviously should consider what you currently need and what synergizes best with what you have, but those are ultimately RNG, too. Had a game not long ago where after an hour, the game tossed me 8 fireworks and only a 1 syringe, guillotine, and glasses. Had 2 Aegis and not a single leeching seed or scythe to make it usable. Stages had tons of money capsules, printers, and drones but only a couple of actual chests in any given level.

Malachite Lesser wisps are flat out the most dangerous elite currently. Their hitscan shotgun laughs at the idea of oneshot protection and if one decides to fire at you from behind, you're toast. They're an absolute terror unless you can vaporize them instantly (which is reliant on having gotten enough guillotines to trivialize encounters with them or at least having royal capacitor to smash them into the dirt). They're almost as bad as pre-patch Blazing Titan, just with an ant-sized hitbox and an actually unavoidable attack.

dude these guys who defend RoR2's current bs probably like Roguelands, which is the most garbage roguelike i've ever played..... like i wish i can pay money to take that game off my list (jk) it'll stay in my hidden list with many many many many many other garbage games i own.

the funny thing is... the whisp came behind me and killed me while i didn't see it..... literally after i burned the boss down i died.

[crab.king274]

引用自 SieEhmBe：

dud

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Except he's 100% correct? It's laughable when people talk about "builds" in this game as if the RNG didn't allow them the items they had to begin with. Builds in this game are just surviving long until the game eventually coughs up what you need. When a terminal shows up you obviously should consider what you currently need and what synergizes best with what you have, but those are ultimately RNG, too. Had a game not long ago where after an hour, the game tossed me 8 fireworks and only a 1 syringe, guillotine, and glasses. Had 2 Aegis and not a single leeching seed or scythe to make it usable. Stages had tons of money capsules, printers, and drones but only a couple of actual chests in any given level.

Malachite Lesser wisps are flat out the most dangerous elite currently. Their hitscan shotgun laughs at the idea of oneshot protection and if one decides to fire at you from behind, you're toast. They're an absolute terror unless you can vaporize them instantly (which is reliant on having gotten enough guillotines to trivialize encounters with them or at least having royal capacitor to smash them into the dirt). They're almost as bad as pre-patch Blazing Titan, just with an ant-sized hitbox and an actually unavoidable attack.

dude these guys who defend RoR2's current bs probably like Roguelands, which is the most garbage roguelike i've ever played..... like i wish i can pay money to take that game off my list (jk) it'll stay in my hidden list with many many many many many other garbage games i own.

the funny thing is... the whisp came behind me and killed me while i didn't see it..... literally after i burned the boss down i died.

Git Gud Boi. That's how they keep it interosente even after the hum drum maps and enemies. They just keep up with your OP ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ with more OP ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥+seasoning! This game never disappoints me in any run.