Swarm + Sacrifice is good now?

[<color=#CD3210>Lunatic]

Let me state that in my experience, about a year ago, sacrifice was absolute shix.

Virtually no items ever dropped, but i have spectated a couple games this past week where people have an absurd amount of items and are only on stage 2, some of those games they were farming the void.

I'm guessing the drop rates have improved?

[Zeddy]

Yes. Drop rate for swarm and sacrifice was improved and now it's practically double drops.

[agentkido]

Okay lemme clear this up for those who think you get double drops because of swarms, YOU DONT GET EXTRA DROPS, ITS THE SAME RATES YOU WOULD GET FROM NORMAL JUST MORE MONSTERS SPAWN.

[TaterTot]

Ive always gotten anywhere between 3 to 6ish items first stage at under 5 min.

[Zeddy]

Originally posted by agentkido:

Okay lemme clear this up

Everything you just said is wrong though. Rates are reduced per monster, just not enough to reduce overall drops.

https://riskofrain2.gamepedia.com/Artifacts#Sacrifice

See how there's a seperate table for swarms being enabled? The important thing is these two points:

Originally posted by Wiki:

• Artifact of Swarms: lowered by up to 5%, in addition to any other change
  
• The drop chance can not be less than 5%

The standard drop rate for Beetles and Wisps is 5%, so with those two enemies the odds are straight up doubled.

[<color=#CD3210>Lunatic]

I just had a couple mp games with command sacrifice and swarm, i did the void on stage 2 each time, got a nice hefty collection of items, but i feel like the legendary chance is definitely down.

Those large chests always had a good chance to give me legendaries and without it, it's just stacking whites and greens.

[Mika gunhild]

hey genuine question, do you get more gold with artifact of swarm?

[Zeddy]

Originally posted by Mikakunin:

hey genuine question, do you get more gold with artifact of swarm?

No, you get less. Payout is halved and then rounded down.

[Mika gunhild]

Originally posted by Zeddy:

Originally posted by Mikakunin:

hey genuine question, do you get more gold with artifact of swarm?

No, you get less. Payout is halved and then rounded down.

ah thats unfortunate, thanks chief

[Marcmaz]

Originally posted by Legato Bluesummers:

I just had a couple mp games with command sacrifice and swarm, i did the void on stage 2 each time, got a nice hefty collection of items, but i feel like the legendary chance is definitely down.

Those large chests always had a good chance to give me legendaries and without it, it's just stacking whites and greens.

Yeah but you get a guaranteed red item on every 4th stage (either golden chest, which always spawns even on sacrifice, or by destroying all the eggs then fighting solus). So you'll always have at least 1 red item by the final stage.

[<color=#CD3210>Lunatic]

Originally posted by Mikakunin:

hey genuine question, do you get more gold with artifact of swarm?

Actually, without sacrifice, with swarm if you manage to get some tomes, about 6 should do, you'll make tonnes of money. In a non sacrifice game, where money counts, i always get at least 6 Ghor's Tome, they have a 4% chance on kill to drop a gold nugget at the value of a small chest.

Iv'e had games where i had 5 clovers and 6 tomes and rounded off with 5mil gold on stages 10+ each.

[bruno]

I really dislike sacrifice for monsoon. Looks like a waste of time imo

[vandal_vanir]

Sacrifice feels like a wash or even a loss for the first few levels as long as you're mobile and good at chest hunting. But it really picks up once you get to higher levels. The key is to find the sweet spot of good spawns for drops without the difficulty ramping up too much. Of course if you go to the gold or void level, you can farm forever with the timer paused.

[<color=#CD3210>Lunatic]

Originally posted by JoeyJoJoJrShabadoo:

Sacrifice feels like a wash or even a loss for the first few levels as long as you're mobile and good at chest hunting. But it really picks up once you get to higher levels. The key is to find the sweet spot of good spawns for drops without the difficulty ramping up too much. Of course if you go to the gold or void level, you can farm forever with the timer paused.

That's the worst name i ever heard.

[Problem?]

I just finished my first monsoon clear using command, swarm and sacrifice on Huntress. As expected it was too easy. 1 hour and 5 stages of farming. But only 1 legendary and boss drop each, they were more when i played before without sacrifice. I was lucky that bazaar was selling one and traded my so many 30 greens for 6 legendary items.