Railgunner is Unfun

[Hawkshot86]

The ult is terrible... And it shuts down your kit for 5 seconds... And the concussion mines don't push large creatures, only small... Not to mention you kill yourself... And just let us hip fire the sniper rifle, the machine gun thing is useless.
Or better yet, just give us the sniper from RoR1... Thanks. Waste of 10 bucks, ngl.

[Four]

-Ult exists as backup crowd control or boss killer for when you don't have a reliable method to do either yet, it's one of those things you use carefully instead of spamming it
-Concussion grenade is used more as a mobility tool than a weapon: that's literally what it's advertised as
-the Tracking rounds are actually really good against smaller, faster enemies that you just can't hit properly, as well as rapid procs for when you don't have alt secondary yet

[Scaily]

so the main attack is bleh get some shurikens to make it have a decent amount of controle
the mine is godly for mobility jsut hop as its about to pop to be flung the direction your runing also it can be used to break your fall to avoid selfdam the overcharged ulti is Absolutly busted highest hit iv goten so far is 5mill and the scoped shots are truely devistating. the rail gunner isn't trash by any account there Realy strong infact.

[Night_Sniper]

Dunno, man, loving it so far.
Have you tried unlocking alternative weapons? I've been havin fun with these especially. 30 headshots in a row totally worth it.

But hey, not all classes are for everyone. I don't like bandit, commando, huntress... Anything except MUL-T and now also Railgunner, which are perfect for me. You just like different playstyle.

[Someguyinhere]

Railgunner isn't your style. That's fair. I also MUCH prefer the Sniperclassic mod. Super polished Sniper character, fun to play, good loadout choices.

Sadly mods still broke. :(

[squat_instructor]

objectively false statement

[Aidal]

Originally posted by squat_instructor:

objectively false statement

If the dudes not having fun its a true statement.

Objective: Having fun with railgunner
OP = Not
Statement: OP is not having fun with railgunner

Is this true? Do you think this homie woke up and made a post like this after having a blast?

[Vayde Knyght]

Originally posted by Aidal:

Originally posted by squat_instructor:

objectively false statement

If the dudes not having fun its a true statement.

Objective: Having fun with railgunner
OP = Not
Statement: OP is not having fun with railgunner

Is this true? Do you think this homie woke up and made a post like this after having a blast?

The thread title is that "Railgunner is Unfun", and the body is various claims about Railgunner's kit being bad.
Saying "X is not fun" is very different from saying "I don't enjoy X"; the former generally implies that it is due to X being poorly designed, which is less opinion-like than not liking X due to Y playstyle.

...that said, "objectively false statement" with no elaboration is an equally terrible attempt at discussion as "X is bad".

[Rex Iudaeorum]

Sucks to suck lol

[Hiroko]

Originally posted by Aidal:

Originally posted by squat_instructor:

objectively false statement

If the dudes not having fun its a true statement.

Objective: Having fun with railgunner
OP = Not
Statement: OP is not having fun with railgunner

Is this true? Do you think this homie woke up and made a post like this after having a blast?

Subjective: railgunner is unfun
Objective: I don't enjoy railgunner
You're confusing the terms.

[Aidal]

Originally posted by Hiroko:

Originally posted by Aidal:

If the dudes not having fun its a true statement.

Objective: Having fun with railgunner
OP = Not
Statement: OP is not having fun with railgunner

Is this true? Do you think this homie woke up and made a post like this after having a blast?

Subjective: railgunner is unfun
Objective: I don't enjoy railgunner
You're confusing the terms.

You right, I haven't had enough sleep.

[squat_instructor]

Originally posted by Aidal:

Originally posted by squat_instructor:

objectively false statement

If the dudes not having fun its a true statement.

Objective: Having fun with railgunner
OP = Not
Statement: OP is not having fun with railgunner

Is this true? Do you think this homie woke up and made a post like this after having a blast?

in that case the title should be 'I don't find Railgunner fun'

[Syvette]

I'm on the fence about her too.
I think her damage really falls off when the enemies start getting to lv. 30+ on Monsoon.
Also the weak points on some enemies are just WHY!? Why is the Vagrant's weakpoints its end tentacles? Good luck hitting the worm's eyes. Overloading enemies feel nigh impossible to kill.

I agree that it's dumb her concussion grenade allows her to take fall damage. Especially when you have no natural way to control it. The mines would have been better if they were manual detonation. That way players can create a double jump based movement or some semblance of air control.

Quickscoping and killing enemies quickly feels fun, till it's no longer effective and that's all her kit has.

[Hawkshot86]

Originally posted by 4PointDragon:

-Ult exists as backup crowd control or boss killer for when you don't have a reliable method to do either yet, it's one of those things you use carefully instead of spamming it
-Concussion grenade is used more as a mobility tool than a weapon: that's literally what it's advertised as
-the Tracking rounds are actually really good against smaller, faster enemies that you just can't hit properly, as well as rapid procs for when you don't have alt secondary yet

So... She's only fun after you unlock her alternative gear. That's bad design lol.
As for the concussion grenade, REX has a similar tool, but his DOES push everything and IS a great mobility tool. Railgunner's is all around worse in every way possible.
And there is no reason for the ultimate to be designed the way it is... In the time it takes to charge up and do its thing the window has been missed, and then you get LITERALLY PUNISHED for using it.
So yeah. Railgunner is unfun and needs a redesign. I can quick scope all day, and her main kit is fine, but ultimately after like 3 hours of play I realized that she just wasn't fun. At all. I literally hated playing her by the end, especially her ult.

[Hawkshot86]

And everyone arguing over semantics, kindly leave the lobby. I don't really care what you think of my choice in grammar between a subjective or objective statement.
Generally punishing players for using tools is a pretty universal no in game design. Do with that knowledge as you will.

[LemonOS]

Originally posted by Hawkshot86:

Originally posted by 4PointDragon:

-Ult exists as backup crowd control or boss killer for when you don't have a reliable method to do either yet, it's one of those things you use carefully instead of spamming it
-Concussion grenade is used more as a mobility tool than a weapon: that's literally what it's advertised as
-the Tracking rounds are actually really good against smaller, faster enemies that you just can't hit properly, as well as rapid procs for when you don't have alt secondary yet

So... She's only fun after you unlock her alternative gear. That's bad design lol.
As for the concussion grenade, REX has a similar tool, but his DOES push everything and IS a great mobility tool. Railgunner's is all around worse in every way possible.
And there is no reason for the ultimate to be designed the way it is... In the time it takes to charge up and do its thing the window has been missed, and then you get LITERALLY PUNISHED for using it.
So yeah. Railgunner is unfun and needs a redesign. I can quick scope all day, and her main kit is fine, but ultimately after like 3 hours of play I realized that she just wasn't fun. At all. I literally hated playing her by the end, especially her ult.

"i don't find this character fun so i'm entitled to demand that it gets reworked to my liking!"
listen to yourself, please.

P.S the ult rewards good timing in aim, so if you're good then it's not punishing. simple solution to a simple problem :P

Originally posted by Hawkshot86:

Generally punishing players for using tools is a pretty universal no in game design. Do with that knowledge as you will.

if you hit yourself with a hammer, do you blame the hammer? or do you blame yourself? a bad worker blames his tools. on another note, rewarding players for skillful use of tools is a pretty good universal yes in game design.