Mithrix final phase needs rework

[Alexandus]

It honestly punishes you for doing well in the game before this specific phase - it's like if Slay the Spire deleted your deck for the final boss fight, if Noita scrapped your wands before the end. Feels more like fake difficulty than a dark souls death where you mechanically f**ed up somehow.

At the very least, suck out the items without empowering Mithrix with them or remove his invulnerability while doing the item drain itself, like how it functioned before.

Hell, buff his stats 10x for the final phase, would still be better than the current implementation.

[Bureizu]

I like the final phase for mithrix it's unique and honestly not hard to beat if you know how to

[nul]

If you can dodge a stage 1 stone golem laser, you can dodge final phase Mithrix.
Unless you give him really stupid item combos. So if you're playing Eclipse, don't do that. If you aren't playing Eclipse, there's one or two other endings you can go for.

Things to not give to Mithrix ever: Spare Drone Parts, Empathy Cores
Things to not give to Mithrix if you have npc allies: AtG, especially with tesla coil
Things to not give to Mithrix if you're a low damage per hit character: Armor plates, Planula

Also, if you have a non-equipment way to skip pillars, or if you just did the pillars anyway. You should definitely bring something that does damage. One royal capacitor or preon should give you half your items back. There's often equipment tri-shops on stage 5, so this is likely an option.

I've only died once to final phase Mithrix. Normally you can just pop him like a balloon. Once you get that first handful of damage items, he just falls apart immediately. The one time I struggled is because I got up there practically crawling already, on a ♥♥♥♥♥♥ run. And happened to bring drones, AtG, needleticks, and tesla coil. His tesla hit a drone a couple of times and it caused a missile to fly directly into my face. And then collapse broke my bones.


I for one am glad that the final form isn't just another proc chain sponge like every other boss.

[Squishy]

Originally posted by nul:

If you can dodge a stage 1 stone golem laser, you can dodge final phase Mithrix.
Unless you give him really stupid item combos. So if you're playing Eclipse, don't do that. If you aren't playing Eclipse, there's one or two other endings you can go for.

Things to not give to Mithrix ever: Spare Drone Parts, Empathy Cores
Things to not give to Mithrix if you have npc allies: AtG, especially with tesla coil
Things to not give to Mithrix if you're a low damage per hit character: Armor plates, Planula

Also, if you have a non-equipment way to skip pillars, or if you just did the pillars anyway. You should definitely bring something that does damage. One royal capacitor or preon should give you half your items back. There's often equipment tri-shops on stage 5, so this is likely an option.

I've only died once to final phase Mithrix. Normally you can just pop him like a balloon. Once you get that first handful of damage items, he just falls apart immediately. The one time I struggled is because I got up there practically crawling already, on a ♥♥♥♥♥♥ run. And happened to bring drones, AtG, needleticks, and tesla coil. His tesla hit a drone a couple of times and it caused a missile to fly directly into my face. And then collapse broke my bones.


I for one am glad that the final form isn't just another proc chain sponge like every other boss.

Might I add needleticks to this list, his darts got 8 stacks of collapse on me and it is an instant clap

[nul]

Originally posted by Squishy:

Originally posted by nul:

Might I add needleticks to this list, his darts got 8 stacks of collapse on me and it is an instant clap

The darts can at least be dodged. Though I forgot to mention cooldown reduction, especially purity, makes this very hard.

[Squishy]

Originally posted by nul:

Originally posted by Squishy:

Might I add needleticks to this list, his darts got 8 stacks of collapse on me and it is an instant clap

The darts can at least be dodged. Though I forgot to mention cooldown reduction, especially purity, makes this very hard.

Yeah I did get a bit greedy with some damage, was so close too

[tv]

To be fair...Noita does scrap your wands every time you enter Temple of The Art without god wands...by killing you.

[Hiroko]

Things to not give to Mithrix if playing engi: It doesn't matter, just place turrets b4 he steals.

[Leviathan]

Originally posted by Squishy:

Might I add needleticks to this list, his darts got 8 stacks of collapse on me and it is an instant clap

Darts not only can be dodged. They need to be dodged. Most of the power of a survivor comes from proc chains and a Mithrix-triggered proc chain is lethal. So... dodge them. Because if you get hit, start bleeding and an ATG flies to you... or a perforator hits you with a lighting strike, or you had a crowbar, that's all death.

8 stacks of bleeding are equally lethal when you have no items and the one dealing them is Mithrix.

[Ninja Zyborg]

Originally posted by nul:

Originally posted by Squishy:

Might I add needleticks to this list, his darts got 8 stacks of collapse on me and it is an instant clap

The darts can at least be dodged. Though I forgot to mention cooldown reduction, especially purity, makes this very hard.

played purity merc. was bad.

[Watereaters]

Just run to the other side of the arena and pick him off with attacks until he loses too many items, unless you're Mercenary.

[TaterTot]

Using DarkSouls references for something not DarkSouls you have a problem...

The final mechanic is amazing and pushes the challenge to the limits! Doing better makes you get items faster and pushes for a faster win. If you stand back and barely attack then ya you will die rather easily.

[Ben bitmişim]

Originally posted by Alexandus:

It honestly punishes you for doing well in the game before this specific phase - it's like if Slay the Spire deleted your deck for the final boss fight, if Noita scrapped your wands before the end. Feels more like fake difficulty than a dark souls death where you mechanically f**ed up somehow.

At the very least, suck out the items without empowering Mithrix with them or remove his invulnerability while doing the item drain itself, like how it functioned before.

Hell, buff his stats 10x for the final phase, would still be better than the current implementation.

The darts he shoots can even be dodged by MUL-T and his groundslam attack is the most obvious attack in video game history. I really do not like saying "skill issue" to a rather serious thread but sorry that's skill issue right there.

[Ralanost]

I just hate that if you want to do Mithrix, you have to choose what items to pick up and what to avoid. For instance, shuriken and perferators is a good way to die. I find the voidling a much more fair fight because you can just stack as many good items as you want and get a crazy god run and just melt voidling without issues. Do that against Mithrix and you just killed your run.

Final phase is an awful mechanic that punishes you for getting good items. I have no idea why people keep making excuses for it.

[ArtemisHunt]

I've never had a problem with final phase. You just attack him for like half a minute and jump when the balls come in and go out. It used to have a lot more health. Just click him bro.

[Loken Stoneheart]

They turned him from too tanky and scary in his last phase to uh...
Being made of glass, but still doing the annoying thing of stealing all your items to just gear-check if you have something to one shot you with real quick.

So he's less of a problem but he still kind of just casually deletes you sometimes.
Still screams unfun design to me.