Is the Commando just bad in general?

[Rainy days.]

https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=2492704630
Farthest I've gotten with him; His damage is awful, has no real form of escape/etc, special attack is just a burst version of your primary, etc.

I'm confused as to how you can get to Stage 20 with this character.

[Albdy]

I mean u can do it if you master him . I did a monsoon loop run with him and beat mythix .
Although you do need a good set of items

[Ittrix]

Well.
Yes and no.

He can reach god mode, just like every other survivor. He's viable. And honestly, I enjoy playing as him.

But knowing priority targeting is extremely important as him, his damage values are low, and so is his utility. Essentially getting to god mode as Commando is much, much harder.
Which, for games like this, basically means he's bad.

You want to see it in action, go look at any character clear a boss on the first stage versus Commando.
Loader literally has circumstances where she can do it in one hit on the upper end, and Commando usually takes closer to the full charging phase.

[Ninja Zyborg]

looking at your screenshot, it looks like you aren't the best at the game anyways. there's some... questionable... item choices in there.

[YMFTCTB]

i mean, if youre going to stack fuel cells with forgive me please at least take daggers for a legendary - or just replace those fuel cells with ATG's

[hm.. oats]

♥♥♥♥ YOU I LOVE COMMANDO HE IS DEBESTE ALSO WHY U PLAY GAME AND GIVE ME NO

[Liro Raériyo]

I mean some of them are very appropriate, but then... well you certainly dont need crowbars... and only 2 goat hoofs? ouch.. thats just asking to get hit.

[Rainy days.]

Originally posted by Ittrix:

Well.
But knowing priority targeting is extremely important as him, his damage values are low, and so is his utility.

This is sort of what I'm trying to mitigate, but it feels like Commando needs A LOT more items to achieve this, then, say, other characters can.

Originally posted by Liro Raériyo:

you certainly dont need crowbars

I had realized this after stupidly picking up the third, since Commando really cant capitalize on what they can offer. Come of think of it, he cant really utilize Old Guillotines either. Maybe its just a matter of trying to excessively ramp up his attack speed?

Originally posted by Ninja Zyborg:

it looks like you aren't the best at-

I took to "mastering" Bandit first, so maybe I'm a little bias-
https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=2491339207

[Leoscar]

Is it really coherent to discuss the balance of a character based on a run done on easy with artifacts?

BTW there is nothing right with the build you are running here. Not enough mobility, not enough crits, close to no regen, not enough bleed. You get bonus points if you get some purities to have close to no cooldowns on abilities.

On commando you want to make use of the high attack speed and/or high damage of the alternate secondary ability, which deals quite a bit of damage.

[Ninja Zyborg]

Originally posted by 20 crowbars:

BTW there is nothing right with the build you are running here. Not enough mobility, not enough crits, close to no regen, not enough bleed. You get bonus points if you get some purities to have close to no cooldowns on abilities.

This is what i meant when I commented on how good you were at the game. not purity specifically (not the best on commando because proc items), but your lack of crit and proc.
and also that you had ghors tome, lepton daisy, bandolier, and forgive me please.

[Bahamut_256]

Commando has the fastest base attack rate in game with a proc coefficient of 1.0
Proc coefficients do not lower with damage drop-off from range. This lets commando stay very far back, way further than any other survivor except bandit and still deal consistent damage. This also makes him the least reliant on specific drops to not fall behind. This obviously makes him extremely good for newer players, as being too close to enemies and getting bad items are what will end your runs rapidly.

Commando is not weak, he is mid to high tier, he just cant compete with the absolutely broken monster that is Rex.

[Vahnkiljoy]

Did you SERIOUSLY just say he can't utilize the guillotine? What the hell is wrong with you, EVERYONE benefits from guillotines, NOT having to 0% elites is something that everyone wants.

[Ittrix]

Originally posted by Bahamut_256:

Commando has the fastest base attack rate in game with a proc coefficient of 1.0
Proc coefficients do not lower with damage drop-off from range. This lets commando stay very far back, way further than any other survivor except bandit and still deal consistent damage. This also makes him the least reliant on specific drops to not fall behind. This obviously makes him extremely good for newer players, as being too close to enemies and getting bad items are what will end your runs rapidly.

Commando is not weak, he is mid to high tier, he just cant compete with the absolutely broken monster that is Rex.

That is accurate in some senses, but the wrong takeaway and missing many important details.

Proc coefficients do not change at a distance, but damage does... which changes how much a proc hits for. If you're hiding on the other side of the map and do 2 damage, your sticky bomb is only going to proc for 4. Compared to if you were up close and did 10 damage, where you'd get a sticky bomb that does 18.
The only proc that doesn't care about damage is tri-tip.

Commando is one of the very few characters who even has fall-off across the board. Literally no other survivor has it on every skill of their starting kit. So by your own logic, Commando is really sorta kinda the worst for a new player since he has to be closer to do consistent damage, whereas every other survivor has tools to do it at a range.

Commando is an honorary melee character dude.

[Flori281]

Skill issue straight up

with anniversary buffs and alt skills commando is a solid character

base kit remains with a lot to be desired though. Commando excels in high proc rate from a decent distance. And since your first mastery was bandit imma be real with you: some characters are better than others just straight up. Commando ain't bad but if you're used to bandit he is totally, clearly weaker especially early on. Bandit excels at stomping stage 6 mithrix runs and has a bit of a harder time looping because he doesn't have an infinite M1 like commando or mul-t or captain and ends up needing to use the rest of his kit.

just get on hits since they're everyone's bread and butter. if you're having issues avoiding fire stun nades and some extra mobility are nice

[45]

on higher difficulties he seems very item dependent in a way every other character isnt. his main strength is the high proc rate so if you need items which proc, you need atgs, crit glasses, fire rate and most importantly the ukelele.

[Fox]

I find him to be pretty good in general, I enjoy him on Rainstorm but not at all on Monsoon, can't get as many items so you can't stack proc items as much as you would in Rainstorm, so it's pretty boring, if you don't use command anyway, I don't. He isn't bad per se on Monsoon but he bores me intensely.

Anyway, like others have said, this is a skill issue, and also a lack of knowledge of what items to get and stack (and how much).