how much repulsion plating would i need to nolonger take dmg?

[MedicinalPsycho]

whats the max dmg that can be dealt to the player in one shot
and how many repulsion plates would i need to just eat every attack

[Mr. Blue Sky]

I wouldn't even worry about not taking damage, I would just do what I just did. You get enough shield generators and infusions and tougher times and you don't need to worry about damage anymore. I just did this and obliterated on monsoon round 24 with commando. Had about 300,000 health at the end. (Note that that was not pure health, a lot was shield).

[MedicinalPsycho]

i know about that i do that in most of my god runns but i wanted to see if repulsion plating was viable

[gghadur77]

1 armor plate reduces damage taken by 5, so you'd need a lot of armor to take no damage against endgame enemies.

[Vahnkiljoy]

I doubt it would ever be possible unless enemies are capped at level 99.

[Razor Strike]

Repulsion Armour Plate reduces damage by 5 but you'll still take at least 1 damage so technically you can't *not* take damage with just repulsion armour plates.

Also, while there is a level cap (of 99) and eventually the game will reach a point where the highest damage in one hit it can probably do to you is a malachite vagrant explosion (don't quote me on that, I don't know the exact values for monster damage), but without cheats I think it would be next to impossible to keep up with the damage scaling in early or mid-game. It's doable if you get enough to negate all damage to one, but I don't think it's viable to get more than a couple plates in a vanilla run for helping with wisps and burn damage.

[Stret]

Originally posted by RazorStrike:

Repulsion Armour Plate reduces damage by 5 but you'll still take at least 1 damage so technically you can't *not* take damage with just repulsion armour plates.

Also, while there is a level cap (of 99) and eventually the game will reach a point where the highest damage in one hit it can probably do to you is a malachite vagrant explosion (don't quote me on that, I don't know the exact values for monster damage), but without cheats I think it would be next to impossible to keep up with the damage scaling in early or mid-game. It's doable if you get enough to negate all damage to one, but I don't think it's viable to get more than a couple plates in a vanilla run for helping with wisps and burn damage.

Originally posted by MedicinalPsycho:

whats the max dmg that can be dealt to the player in one shot
and how many repulsion plates would i need to just eat every attack

firstly, the game's enemies keep getting stronger after level 99, they just dont visually show a higher level.

Secondly, Repulsion Armor Plate is applied after Armor, so by getting high armor you can reduce tons of attacks to 1, howhever you need a *lot* of armor. For comparison each 1 point of positive armor reduces damage in a way that makes you effectively have +1% health.

One time i got 32 armor plates and a perma uptime jade elephant as mult in a loop, it was enough to make many attacks deal 1 damage and just about any not get even anywhere close to killing me

[Ittrix]

There's effectively no limit to enemy scaling past what computers are capable of counting to these days.

Also wanted to mention armor has reduced returns. Approaching but never quite 100.

[Stret]

Originally posted by Ittrix:

There's effectively no limit to enemy scaling past what computers are capable of counting to these days.

Also wanted to mention armor has reduced returns. Approaching but never quite 100.

Positive armor does not have diminishing returns.

1 armor is always +1% effective health. 20 armor = +20% health, 500 armor = +500% health

[Ittrix]

Originally posted by Stret:

Originally posted by Ittrix:

There's effectively no limit to enemy scaling past what computers are capable of counting to these days.

Also wanted to mention armor has reduced returns. Approaching but never quite 100.

Positive armor does not have diminishing returns.

1 armor is always +1% effective health. 20 armor = +20% health, 500 armor = +500% health

uhh... no. Armor has diminishing returns.
This is what the damage gets multiplied by when you have some positive armor amount:
100 / (100 + Armor)

Having 10 armor vs. zero will not give the same increase as having 20 vs. zero.
10 would give 9% or so, 20 would give 16% or so.

[Ninja Zyborg]

Originally posted by Ittrix:

Originally posted by Stret:

Positive armor does not have diminishing returns.

1 armor is always +1% effective health. 20 armor = +20% health, 500 armor = +500% health

uhh... no. Armor has diminishing returns.
This is what the damage gets multiplied by when you have some positive armor amount:
100 / (100 + Armor)

Having 10 armor vs. zero will not give the same increase as having 20 vs. zero.
10 would give 9% or so, 20 would give 16% or so.

I'd like to point out that you are both correct. The way Stret thinks of armor means it doesn't have diminishing returns, however that isn't the most accurate way to think of it. Ittrix is exactly correct on how armor works. The reason both answers are correct (ish) is that without healing or other bonuses, 16% damage reduction is identical to a 20% health bonus.
(I think)

[Ittrix]

Originally posted by Ninja Zyborg:

is that without healing or other bonuses, 16% damage reduction is identical to a 20% health bonus.

Double checked and yerp... weird way to think about it in a game where most deaths are caused by one shotting tho.

[Stret]

Originally posted by Ittrix:

Originally posted by Stret:

Positive armor does not have diminishing returns.

1 armor is always +1% effective health. 20 armor = +20% health, 500 armor = +500% health

Originally posted by Ninja Zyborg:

Originally posted by Ittrix:

uhh... no. Armor has diminishing returns.
This is what the damage gets multiplied by when you have some positive armor amount:
100 / (100 + Armor)

Having 10 armor vs. zero will not give the same increase as having 20 vs. zero.
10 would give 9% or so, 20 would give 16% or so.

I'd like to point out that you are both correct. The way Stret thinks of armor means it doesn't have diminishing returns, however that isn't the most accurate way to think of it. Ittrix is exactly correct on how armor works. The reason both answers are correct (ish) is that without healing or other bonuses, 16% damage reduction is identical to a 20% health bonus.
(I think)

uhh... no. Armor has diminishing returns.
This is what the damage gets multiplied by when you have some positive armor amount:
100 / (100 + Armor)

Having 10 armor vs. zero will not give the same increase as having 20 vs. zero.
10 would give 9% or so, 20 would give 16% or so.

If you have a 99% damage reduction, going to 99.5% is effectively a 50% damage reduction.

1 armor is effectively 1% health and healing increase
because each point of armor makes each point of health worth 1% more
The only reason it appears to diminish is because you are comparing increasing percentages to decreasing ones, so like 2x is +1, but the same but reversed is 0.5x, -0.5

They have the same effect though
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/559901453834256404/840058532857643028/unknown.png

[Ittrix]

damage reduction from armor has reduced returns, EHP from armor does not.

[(C)FatheredPuma81]

Well I had 30k health at one point and dying was still pretty easy... so probably somewhere around 10,000 for a 2 hour game on Monsoon just to be safe? Either way it's completely unreasonable. Repulsion plate stacking is just awful unless you do it with a Jade Elephant.

[Stret]

Originally posted by (C)FatheredPuma81:

Well I had 30k health at one point and dying was still pretty easy... so probably somewhere around 10,000 for a 2 hour game on Monsoon just to be safe? Either way it's completely unreasonable. Repulsion plate stacking is just awful unless you do it with a Jade Elephant.

repulsion plate stacking is great, strong against DoTs and lesser hits and all. You also shouldnt ignore Rose Bucklers.

Repulsion plates only fall off entirely without armor at like, the third loop or so. But nothing matters at that point, because the balance entirely breaks in every aspect