Last boss is garbage

[EnStorEn]

This is what we get? Last boss in RoR1 was amazing, this one is an ugly, cheap and unimaginative fight. The fact that he takes your items is about as much anti-fun as I can imagine; why not simply let him mirror you? Or adapt to your items? Frankly, I don't feel much like playing anymore if this is all the devs could come up with for a final fight.

[Ser Pounce]

Originally posted by EnStorEn:

This is what we get? Last boss in RoR1 was amazing, this one is an ugly, cheap and unimaginative fight.

Finding it ugly is your own opinion. I doubt that will change.
In which way is it unimaginative ? The boss in RoR1 is just as unimaginative then.
How is it cheap exactly ?

Originally posted by EnStorEn:

The fact that he takes your items is about as much anti-fun as I can imagine; why not simply let him mirror you? Or adapt to your items? Frankly, I don't feel much like playing anymore if this is all the devs could come up with for a final fight.

A lot of people complain about the item steal. That boils down to opinion again. That's indeed a tedious part but it doesn't make the boss unbeatable either so I'm fine with it.
I agree that there's so much more they could have done though.

Remember that once you've beaten him on Monsoon, you never have a reason to go back to it, unless you want to challenge him for some reason of your own.

[shrimping]

his last phase needs tweaking for sure, but calling the boss unimaginative garbage? he's overall a really cool fight imo.

you can always just keep looping and play that way if you hate him that much. don't let him kill your enjoyment of the game.

[Gandrel]

The "boss takes your items and you fight him" part takes only about 1 minute.
I really don't get why people are so upset with that. In the end, the boss is great and the whole ending is amazing in my eyes.

What did you expect?

[Kefa]

Originally posted by Gandrel:

The "boss takes your items and you fight him" part takes only about 1 minute.
I really don't get why people are so upset with that. In the end, the boss is great and the whole ending is amazing in my eyes.

What did you expect?

Try playing without command

[Samseng Yik]

Boss final phase need some tuning.
He steal my runic ice blast + fire twister and can kill me wiith just 1 hit.
I know avoiding the attack is the key, but too punishing to let the boss have such items.
ALso unhealthy to ask player don take this or that

[Anomanony]

Originally posted by kefa:

Originally posted by Gandrel:

The "boss takes your items and you fight him" part takes only about 1 minute.
I really don't get why people are so upset with that. In the end, the boss is great and the whole ending is amazing in my eyes.

What did you expect?

Try playing without command

I did beat him on monsoon with no artifacts. I didn't even manage to kill him before he stole all my items and I still beat him. It took a couple of tries, but It's not impossible as many people are claiming it to be.

Originally posted by EnStorEn:

This is what we get? Last boss in RoR1 was amazing, this one is an ugly, cheap and unimaginative fight. The fact that he takes your items is about as much anti-fun as I can imagine; why not simply let him mirror you? Or adapt to your items? Frankly, I don't feel much like playing anymore if this is all the devs could come up with for a final fight.

Sure, you might think it's ugly, it's your opinion. But if 95% of other players will disagree, then yeah, I don't think it's gonna change. Also how is it cheap and unimaginative?

Originally posted by Samseng Yik:

Boss final phase need some tuning.
He steal my runic ice blast + fire twister and can kill me wiith just 1 hit.
I know avoiding the attack is the key, but too punishing to let the boss have such items.
ALso unhealthy to ask player don take this or that

Yeah I think they should blacklist some more items. He already doesn't use razorwire, but there are still some items that he shouldn't use, for example tesla coil. It's hard enough to survive on a ranged survivor, but impossible on melee chars especially mercenary.

[GamingStrategist]

While I find the final boss cool, I hate stage 4 of the fight. I've gotten to that stage multiple times on Monsoon, just to be one shot by a stray homing missile that I didn't react to in time. I'm starting to think it's because of Crowbar/Band + DoT items, but I don't want to avoid getting certain items just because this one final part of the game. I don't even find stage 4 interesting, as he just stands there and periodically shoots missiles at you (which you need to quickly react to). Each time I've gotten to it, it's just felt like the win has been stolen from me.

[Ser Pounce]

Originally posted by GamingStrategist:

While I find the final boss cool, I hate stage 4 of the fight. I've gotten to that stage multiple times on Monsoon, just to be one shot by a stray homing missile that I didn't react to in time. I'm starting to think it's because of Crowbar/Band + DoT items, but I don't want to avoid getting certain items just because this one final part of the game. I don't even find stage 4 interesting, as he just stands there and periodically shoots missiles at you (which you need to quickly react to). Each time I've gotten to it, it's just felt like the win has been stolen from me.

Yeah, ATG can be really bad for you when he stole them. Gotta time the i-frame dodge perfectly if you get one.

[разум, тело, дух]

Im not even mad about the boss itself. Im mad because - look - i got to the final boss stage, and now i forced to walk for 5 ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ minutes straight? Difficulty scales all that time. And for whatever reason, if your character doesn't have good defense or mobility, you're likely to get murdered by ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ wisps, which doesn't even make sense because i was killed by a monster and not a ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ boss.

I wouldn't ever go on how final boss is the most lamest boss i've ever seen, and can be cheesed with just hoping around and keeping distance. Also a giant difficulty spike at 3rd and 4th phase. You also can get murdered by detonation sequence because RNGesus isn't on your side today or you aren't playing a character with good movement abilities.

Funny how wisps and detonation sequence is more challenging than the boss itself.

[Monk]

The boss taking away items is the least fun thing ever, sure thats opinion but just feels pointless to fight the boss over any other way to end when that last phase is just boring. Oh yay base stats and no cool item effects which is the whole point of ending a run you should feel your most powerful not your weakest.

[Ser Pounce]

Originally posted by shut up zilotronj:

Im not even mad about the boss itself. Im mad because - look - i got to the final boss stage, and now i forced to walk for 5 ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ minutes straight? Difficulty scales all that time. And for whatever reason, if your character doesn't have good defense or mobility, you're likely to get murdered by ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ wisps, which doesn't even make sense because i was killed by a monster and not a ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ boss.

That's kinda the point of getting defense and movement speed items : to not get murdered in the 1st place.

Originally posted by shut up zilotronj:

I wouldn't ever go on how final boss is the most lamest boss i've ever seen, and can be cheesed with just hoping around and keeping distance. Also a giant difficulty spike at 3rd and 4th phase. You also can get murdered by detonation sequence because RNGesus isn't on your side today or you aren't playing a character with good movement abilities.

That's... not cheesing the boss. That's how you're supposed to play the game : by DODGING attacls. How is that "cheesing" ?
You know you're not forced to fight the boss right away and can loop at stage 6 to get more items if you feel like you're not going to be able to beat the boss, right ?

Originally posted by shut up zilotronj:

Funny how wisps and detonation sequence is more challenging than the boss itself.

What ? The detonation sequence is "challenging" ????

[разум, тело, дух]

Originally posted by Ser Pounce:

That's... not cheesing the boss. That's how you're supposed to play the game : by DODGING attacls. How is that "cheesing" ?

I dont feel like keeping 2 meters distance beetwen me and the boss is dodging.

Originally posted by Ser Pounce:

What ? The detonation sequence is "challenging" ????

Challenging is a bad word for this; i would instead say "hard" (under specific circumstances). You defeat the final boss, and then you just die because you don't have movement items/playing survivor that isnt huntress or mercenary? Sounds fishy to me. Even when there's a lot of things Hopoo did so you could control RNG (recycler, multishops, scraps, printers) you aren't guaranteed to get them in the first place.

On other points, you're right.

[Ser Pounce]

Originally posted by shut up zilotronj:

I dont feel like keeping 2 meters distance beetwen me and the boss is dodging.

Then what is it for you ?

Originally posted by shut up zilotronj:

then you just die because you don't have movement items/playing survivor that isnt huntress or mercenary? Sounds fishy to me. Even when there's a lot of things Hopoo did so you could control RNG (recycler, multishops, scraps, printers) you aren't guaranteed to get them in the first place.

On other points, you're right.

But you can still loop infinitly to find those items so... How is that really a problem ?

[5katz]

I actually think the last phase is a relatively cool feature, yes its a tad annoying but it also discourages you from going the standard cheesy all bleed and attack speed route, since then he just hits you once and you bleed out, so a boss run is actually pretty self-balancing when the player avoids too high DOT, and regarding the detonation sequence, unless you play artifact of command you probably get enough movement items to get through it even as engineer or acrid

[Ser Pounce]

Originally posted by 5katz:

I actually think the last phase is a relatively cool feature, yes its a tad annoying but it also discourages you from going the standard cheesy all bleed and attack speed route, since then he just hits you once and you bleed out, so a boss run is actually pretty self-balancing when the player avoids too high DOT, and regarding the detonation sequence, unless you play artifact of command you probably get enough movement items to get through it even as engineer or acrid

I don't mind the whole stealing item thing but having to avoid certain items because it might kill you with it is kinda lame though :/