Classic multiplayer roguelike

[Mute]

R.I.P. genre definition, you're now just a progress loss tag.

[Ittrix]

Definition of roguelike has changed a smidge since 1993.
This game is definitely pushing the definition a bit, but who honestly cares?
The game is similar to Rogue in some capacities.
It's like Rogue. Rogue... like.

[LostStorm]

OP did it, they fixed video games forever.

[Bijat]

Początkowo opublikowane przez Ittrix:

Definition of roguelike has changed a smidge since 1993.
This game is definitely pushing the definition a bit, but who honestly cares?
The game is similar to Rogue in some capacities.
It's like Rogue. Rogue... like.

Well without definitions you can simply call evry game simply a game. It´s to give a vague idea what kind of game it is. Has this game anything to do with the old game Rogue? no.

[D.e.v.i.OS]

this is like saying CoD killed the MOBA genre

[HughManatee]

This game has as much in common with Terraria as it does with Rogue.

[Agarillobob]

yea this should rather be called rougelite instead of rouguelike since it is not like rogue but takes a lite amount of ideas from games like rogue

[squat_instructor]

There's always someone making distinction between 'rougelites' and 'rouguelikes'. Literally no one cares.

[Ittrix]

Początkowo opublikowane przez Bijat:

Początkowo opublikowane przez Ittrix:

Definition of roguelike has changed a smidge since 1993.
This game is definitely pushing the definition a bit, but who honestly cares?
The game is similar to Rogue in some capacities.
It's like Rogue. Rogue... like.

Well without definitions you can simply call evry game simply a game. It´s to give a vague idea what kind of game it is. Has this game anything to do with the old game Rogue? no.

Dat necro.

It has randomized items, randomized enemies, permadeath, discovering what items do, enemies can use items, unique interactions for odd circumstances, etc. It certainly takes ideas from rogue.
The distinction between lite and like is tiny enough that it doesn't matter. It's like trying to argue that someone is masticating instead of chewing. People don't even agree on what the distinction is, and it's not like you can have experts on popular definition.

Saying RoR2 is a roguelike is a lot more plausible than saying Call of Duty is a puzzle game. I understand the outrage at the second, but the first hardly matters.

[Boksha]

Początkowo opublikowane przez Ittrix:

The distinction between lite and like is tiny enough that it doesn't matter. It's like trying to argue that someone is masticating instead of chewing. People don't even agree on what the distinction is, and it's not like you can have experts on popular definition.

There is literally an official definition of roguelikes, written down at a convention by fans of the original 'canonical' roguelikes, back when roguelites weren't even a thing yet. It's not a hard definition, but even so if you look at it, it's very damn clear what the intention was, and that what people call roguelikes these days does not come anywhere near what is actually meant by a roguelike in that definition.

That's where the term roguelite comes in; it takes some elements from roguelikes, but is very obviously not a roguelike.

Sure, there are edge cases like Diablo (which, ironically, I've never actually heard being called a roguelike outside of discussions about the definition of a roguelike), but most of what people call roguelikes nowadays are NOT edge cases.

When it comes to, say, RoR2, to put it very simply: if you play a roguelike and then RoR2, it's very obvious RoR2 is a different type of game altogether.

[Ittrix]

Początkowo opublikowane przez Boksha:

Początkowo opublikowane przez Ittrix:

The distinction between lite and like is tiny enough that it doesn't matter. It's like trying to argue that someone is masticating instead of chewing. People don't even agree on what the distinction is, and it's not like you can have experts on popular definition.

There is literally an official definition of roguelikes, written down at a convention by fans of the original 'canonical' roguelikes, back when roguelites weren't even a thing yet. It's not a hard definition, but even so if you look at it, it's very damn clear what the intention was, and that what people call roguelikes these days does not come anywhere near what is actually meant by a roguelike in that definition.

Right. People are saying things are roguelikes now that 'aren't roguelikes'.
Which brings me back to this:

Początkowo opublikowane przez Ittrix:

Definition of roguelike has changed a smidge since 1993.

[HughManatee]

People being stupid isn't enough to justify the definition changing.

[Ittrix]

Whether you think so or not, it clearly has. :/

Otherwise they'd be doing false advertising for being a roguelike instead of lite.
But they're not, because a bunch of fans deciding it means something 30 years ago ain't law.

I know what you're all going for. Nethack would be an example of a roguelike since it's basically an updated rogue, and this isn't a top down turn based game but it has some of the unique other ideals about rogue making it a roguelite.
But getting fussy over it is silly, and not everyone's going to agree at the end of the day.

If I were to describe RoR 2 as a third person hordeshooting roguelike, as opposed to a third person horde shooting roguelite, would there honestly be any difference in what people would think it looks like?
Probably not. It doesn't matter.

[HughManatee]

Początkowo opublikowane przez Person who posts on every thread in the forum, while repeating themselves even when no one argued otherwise:

It doesn't matter

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[Ittrix]

As long as people understand the context for why it doesn't matter, I don't have a problem summarizing my argument up to that.

[HughManatee]

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