Lunar Coin Cheating: What's the longterm plan?

[Juno]

I'll admit, I've cheated many coins onto my account. I cheated in 6969, and I'm currently at 6400 or so. I assume Hopoo is okay with it as of now (If anything, it lets them get more appropriate data on lunar items) but what's the plan for when the game goes live? I personally don't think their should be a split in the community.

If I were to propose a plan, it's pretty simple. Make lunar coins spawn way more often, and remove cheating entirely. Additionally, a bit more QOL, but it'd be nice if rather than having to pick up lunar coins, it worked like the gold or ability reload, were you just run over it and it comes to you. Also, maybe all lunar coins found in Multiplayer count towards every player?

This is more of a suggestion, but I think it'd be nice if you could buy skins for heroes with lunar coins (very high price tag) just for those collectors and such.

[Shazoo]

ugh, came into this forum looking for a reason to buy the game only to find this mess of a problem... Guess I'll wait a few more months and hope it gets fixed.

[Rhadamante]

In my opinion, they dropped the ball on that: lunar coins should never have been this easy to cheat. It's not too late if they introduce a cap but some players will definitely cry suddenly not having an unlimited number of coins to stack whatever lunar item they want (shaped glass first and foremost).

I never cheated the coins, use them on the regular and still have over 50.

A terrible idea I have would be to have lunar coins start burning your wallet after you start stockpiling them. Say, when you have more than 10 you get a permanent debuff, the more coins over that threshold, the worse it gets. It'll make not picking the coins automatically a good thing, would force players to mind their stock, would limit how much lunar items you can have in a run and would work with the whole risk/reward thing the lunar items seem to ride on.

But whatever, mods can "fix" anything now, so who really cares right ?

[Holcik]

Originally posted by Shazoo:

ugh, came into this forum looking for a reason to buy the game only to find this mess of a problem... Guess I'll wait a few more months and hope it gets fixed.

just buy it man its a blast! Some people modding theyre game for cheats etc... but if you have unmodded game you are pretty much matched with people without mods, and its very solo friendly game :-)



now to the topic i never understand why people need to cheat in every game... even in coop. Hope they get rid of it.

[Juno]

Originally posted by Shazoo:

ugh, came into this forum looking for a reason to buy the game only to find this mess of a problem... Guess I'll wait a few more months and hope it gets fixed.

Lunar coin cheating really isn't a mess of a problem. Lunar coins are extra currency you sometimes get, and all you can use it for is items that come with a downside. Some people play the game without ever using lunar coins, because in the end you don't need them for anything, except maybe unlocking a survivor.

The game is excellent, I've dumped 100+ hours into it in a month because it's so fun. Before I cheated, others cheating didn't cause an issue. And after I cheated, it didn't cause an issue either. It's not really a problem, but it's something that will be changed at somepoint in time mostlikely, and I'm just curious what peoples plans are.

Originally posted by Rhadamante:

In my opinion, they dropped the ball on that: lunar coins should never have been this easy to cheat. It's not too late if they introduce a cap but some players will definitely cry suddenly not having an unlimited number of coins to stack whatever lunar item they want (shaped glass first and foremost).

I never cheated the coins, use them on the regular and still have over 50.

I think people will cry and all, but people will cry over anything. For the longevity of this game, they need to remove the cheat, but also make lunar coins more accessable. I think if, once they made the patch to remove cheating, people would be fine. Babies will cry, some will whine. It doesn't matter in the end. If they make coins more easy to get, good players will be able to get many fast in monsoon, and others can grind drizzle to get a ton too.

[Juno]

Originally posted by Ittrix:

I proposed an alternate fix awhile back where we limited how many coins you could use in a game.
Limit lunar items you can pick up (either total or per item stack), or limit the coins you can use per game to a reasonable value.
For long game junkies who really enjoy having lunars destroy everything, doing a loop increases the max stack or max coins you can spend.
Lunar items and the things you can do with them are frankly borked if you stack them. So don't let us stack them until everything is borked late game anyways.

I disagree, frankly. There are only two items I think are OP to stack, those being Drowned and Shaped Glass. The other lunar lunar items either can't be stacked, or get worse when stacked.

[Juno]

Originally posted by Ittrix:

Originally posted by loserboy:

I disagree, frankly. There are only two items I think are OP to stack, those being Drowned and Shaped Glass. The other lunar lunar items either can't be stacked, or get worse when stacked.

And in those cases it won't matter if we limit them because they're bad to stack anyways.

But why limit stacking in the first place? No other item has a hardcap, and it kind of goes against the idea of this game being a roguelike if there is a cap to it's items.

[Juno]

Originally posted by Ittrix:

In this case we prevent stacking to make cheating in lunar coins obsolete though, while also fixing the OP items you listed above.
Why get annoyed at someone hacking in 2000 lunar coins if you can do the same as him with 10?

You'd get annoyed because after your run ends, you're all out of lunar coins and the cheater can do it all over again. :/

Providing a cap would really just ruin the fun for what you call "lunar junkies" and that's it. It wouldn't do anything for anyone else

[Juno]

Originally posted by Ittrix:

Each run gives you about 10 coins if you obliterate at the first sign.
If you can only spend 5 coins that's it.
If you lose a lot however then yeah. No lunar coins for you.

Lunar junkies? Artifact.

You're idea doesn't stop cheaters and instead just implements a feature which caps items, and for some people caps fun.

All this idea does is punish EVERYONE. The people that grind for coins can't even use them as they wish, and the people that cheat them in can't use them as they wish either!

Originally posted by Ittrix:

To reiterate, I think this should be done because it offers a much needed alternative to go ham with lunar items aside from cheating, removes grinding to get a free win, limits certain OP lunar items, and gets rid of a ton of the disparity between people who do and don't cheat coins in.

1. It doesn't offer an alternative, it makes the game have a hard cap no one benefits from.
2. It does not remove grinding, because non-cheaters still need to grind the same amount.
3. It does limit using OP lunar items, except wouldn't it just be better to nerf OP items???
4. And it does not remove tension between cheaters and non-cheaters, because in the end cheaters still have more lunar coins.

You seem to just be really salty at cheaters and people who use good lunar items (which is really weird for a co-op game), so why not just want the OP items nerfed, and cheating removed? The only truly OP lunar item is Gesture of the Drowned. Shaped Glass is good but has it's downsides, and every other lunar item is either situational or bad.

[a e s t h e t i c]

New additional difficulty can be added in the future updates, where anything that is about lunar totally disabled and removed. Excited and with both hands for that addition.

[Gauron]

Originally posted by Shazoo:

ugh, came into this forum looking for a reason to buy the game only to find this mess of a problem... Guess I'll wait a few more months and hope it gets fixed.

Its not even a problem. Lunar items are randomised, most of them are useless and apart from a few outliner they dont wont change much ingame.

The worst you can do possibly is to get like 3 shaped glasses for double damage but halved hp for each and 3 transcendence what doubles your hp but turns it into a shield nullfying all healing sources. If you get all of these that still does not mean you got better than anybody else because these items are unnecesseary.

You wanna know how the cheat works? Your savefile is essentially a txt so you can edit it whenver you want to unlock everything and give you 999.999.999 coins but this wont change the gameplay in any meaningful ways.

I have more than 2K coins and i have been in runs where we havent seen a single blue portal or blue item till the 6th map. It really doesnt matter.

[a e s t h e t i c]

Originally posted by Shazoo:

ugh, came into this forum looking for a reason to buy the game only to find this mess of a problem... Guess I'll wait a few more months and hope it gets fixed.

It's still amazing for a single player option and I must say that it's even better than multiplayer in current state. You should try it, just avoid random multiplayer button at any cost and everything will be fine.

[Gauron]

How about instead of complaining about such small problem (if this can be even called a problem), you start to complain about actual cheaters ingame?

This morning i entered a game with a guy called chair and the first thing he done was transforming into various object including a missile drone, spawning several items directly on himself while making the server lag as hell each time he shoot a small scale nuke.

[Gauron]

Originally posted by Ittrix:

Needs some fixing too. In the meantime tho...

I just noticed that my run in with that hacker has resulted in me gaining 5K extra coins so im now sitting at 7K coins.

[♥♥♥♥♥♥]

The majority of the cheating in the game isnt malicious and doesnt affect other peoples games.. What this game really needs is a report and punishment system for stealing items, griefing etc. Theres so many c*nts playing the game solely to ruin everyone elses experience by just being ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥.

[Gauron]

Originally posted by ♥♥♥♥♥♥:

The majority of the cheating in the game isnt malicious and doesnt affect other peoples games.. What this game really needs is a report and punishment system for stealing items, griefing etc. Theres so many c*nts playing the game solely to ruin everyone elses experience by just being ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥.

A proper server browser where you can ban people from entering your matches if you deem them bad would fix it.

Report and punishment systems dont work for games what dont even have their own servers, the reason why a hacker could turn himself into a gunner drone spraying the area with preon balls is because everything is in our computers, literally nothing is in the devs hand.