Commando not viable for Monsoon

[N-13 Raymond Reddington]

he is literally the worst character for that difficulty
no matter what items i get in my pool there
his dmg is mediocre his "roll" is almost useless against almost all enemies
since they can pinpoint aim at the playable character ....
the right click skill seems like a normal left click from other characters but "much" weaker ...

i played every character on monsoon i unlocked the skins for almost every character
some i've played singleplayer some were played together with a friend

but commando feels useless in singleplayer and coop if you dont have a all the chests for you
in singleplayer (monsoon) you have to grind for the chests otherwise youre useless and even then it depends on what items you get
other characters i've played i could do the boss after getting 1 random item and succeed

he definitely needs a buff
i dont want people carrying me through the game

[Ittrix]

Huntress doesn't pull much more than Commando with his base M1. Commando's shots do less, but he fires like 4 a second. There's a reason tri-tip is great on him.

Aside from that though, leave the guy alone. I beat monsoon with pre-buffed Rex and Commando in one try and struggled with MUL-T. Doesn't mean jack diddly since I got like 4 reds on Commando.

[Jimmy Hunter]

Originally posted by Sean Murray:

im nowhere near "unexperienced

Experienced players do not suggest that Commando can't hold his own in Singleplayer Monsoon. Although they would suggest that he's outclassed by many other survivors and could use some buffs to his default skills, especially considering his scaling in Mutliplayer is absolutely terrible.

huntress has alot of base dmg i kill most stuff with her m1

https://riskofrain2.fandom.com/wiki/Huntress

According to the Wiki, she has 12 base damage with 2.4 added per level. This would be considered average as Merc, Commando, REX, Loader, and Arty all have the same value. So her M1 is not considered to have "alot of base damage".

It's further worth noting that her DPS stems from her M2 and R, as she only deals 150% once a second without any DPS or attack speed increases. This is much lower than most of the other survivors which either have burst firing, raw damage, or further effects which increase that damage in which isn't represented in the damage percent listed.

I'm just pointing out that what you're saying is absolutely not showing you've got the experience you're claiming to have. That's a huge issue when you're telling us "X isn't viable on Y" because you're telling us to believe you without any evidence beyond "Trust me mate".

[N-13 Raymond Reddington]

Originally posted by Jimmy Hunter:

Originally posted by Sean Murray:

im nowhere near "unexperienced

Experienced players do not suggest that Commando can't hold his own in Singleplayer Monsoon. Although they would suggest that he's outclassed by many other survivors and could use some buffs to his default skills, especially considering his scaling in Mutliplayer is absolutely terrible.

huntress has alot of base dmg i kill most stuff with her m1

https://riskofrain2.fandom.com/wiki/Huntress

According to the Wiki, she has 12 base damage with 2.4 added per level. This would be considered average as Merc, Commando, REX, Loader, and Arty all have the same value. So her M1 is not considered to have "alot of base damage".

It's further worth noting that her DPS stems from her M2 and R, as she only deals 150% once a second without any DPS or attack speed increases. This is much lower than most of the other survivors which either have burst firing, raw damage, or further effects which increase that damage in which isn't represented in the damage percent listed.

I'm just pointing out that what you're saying is absolutely not showing you've got the experience you're claiming to have. That's a huge issue when you're telling us "X isn't viable on Y" because you're telling us to believe you without any evidence beyond "Trust me mate".

so you literally saying that everyone who says commando is viable on monsoon in singleplayer is experienced
you should overthink your analogy here because it makes the rest of what you say a joke
also im not even here to convince "you" that i'm experienced or not
you dont even have more time in the game than i do and talking like a big one
i cant take you serious here ...

Originally posted by Ittrix:

Huntress doesn't pull much more than Commando with his base M1. Commando's shots do less, but he fires like 4 a second. There's a reason tri-tip is great on him.

Aside from that though, leave the guy alone. I beat monsoon with pre-buffed Rex and Commando in one try and struggled with MUL-T. Doesn't mean jack diddly since I got like 4 reds on Commando.

congrats on that

[Ryvid]

Originally posted by Jimmy Hunter:

Originally posted by Sean Murray:

im nowhere near "unexperienced

Experienced players do not suggest that Commando can't hold his own in Singleplayer Monsoon. Although they would suggest that he's outclassed by many other survivors and could use some buffs to his default skills, especially considering his scaling in Mutliplayer is absolutely terrible.

huntress has alot of base dmg i kill most stuff with her m1

https://riskofrain2.fandom.com/wiki/Huntress

According to the Wiki, she has 12 base damage with 2.4 added per level. This would be considered average as Merc, Commando, REX, Loader, and Arty all have the same value. So her M1 is not considered to have "alot of base damage".

It's further worth noting that her DPS stems from her M2 and R, as she only deals 150% once a second without any DPS or attack speed increases. This is much lower than most of the other survivors which either have burst firing, raw damage, or further effects which increase that damage in which isn't represented in the damage percent listed.

I'm just pointing out that what you're saying is absolutely not showing you've got the experience you're claiming to have. That's a huge issue when you're telling us "X isn't viable on Y" because you're telling us to believe you without any evidence beyond "Trust me mate".

IMO Huntress and Commando feel about the same, with the exception that Commando feels a tad weaker without his alt M2.
Either way, alot of people seem to find Commando weak after a quick google search on the topic.

I recently watched some VODs of a streamer called Woolie in which he put out his thoughts about Commando which also seem to address some sort of weakness Commando has in comparison to other characters.
Additionally, there's this video in which the person did the Commando Mastery and spent 9 hours on it:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5xr-z1oAiJk
Maybe the title for this discussion is a bit to harsh, but calling randoms on here either experienced or not doesn't help the case either. Quite the opposite sometime as seen in how the OP responded to it.

[N-13 Raymond Reddington]

Originally posted by Jarsix:

Originally posted by Sean Murray:

so you literally saying that everyone who says commando is viable on monsoon in singleplayer is experienced
you should overthink your analogy here because it makes the rest of what you say a joke
also im not even here to convince "you" that i'm experienced or not
you dont even have more time in the game than i do and talking like a big one
i cant take you serious here ...

congrats on that

And likewise we can't take you seriously. You keep saying "I'm experienced" And "I know what I'm doing", and it doesn't really seem like you do.

Commando's roll is useless? Hardly. His dodge is actually incredibly useful. Perhaps you should learn to time it better?

And further more higher play time doesn't always mean that one is better at the game. Just because someone spends a lot of time in the game doesn't mean they're taking the time to actually practice or learn things. Especially if we factor in that you can launch the game then get up and do other things the time spent in game still ticks up. Steam doesn't pause the time played tracker if your status is set to away.

then why even post? just for the sake of posting?
ignore me then cus like i said im not here to convince someone
my post is all about commando not being viable for solo monsoon
im not the one who came up with "inexperience"unexperienced" stuff
also i didnt kept saying "i'm experienced" that was another user ...
someone's tilted? im not the one who made up ♥♥♥♥ analogy and interpret things that arent even there
thats why i also decided to post absolutely out of context stuff ... like the playtime
oh btw playtime
and i didnt even said higher playtime means that one is better at the game
thats what you were saying... because i never said "i am better than you at ror2"
out of context? yep ... here youre wrong again
and just for note i did took time and learn the mechanics of the game and here you are again cought yourself interpret stuff that wasnt there ... like how do you know that i took time to practice or learn mechanics???

[N-13 Raymond Reddington]

Originally posted by Ryvid:

Originally posted by Jimmy Hunter:

Experienced players do not suggest that Commando can't hold his own in Singleplayer Monsoon. Although they would suggest that he's outclassed by many other survivors and could use some buffs to his default skills, especially considering his scaling in Mutliplayer is absolutely terrible.



https://riskofrain2.fandom.com/wiki/Huntress

According to the Wiki, she has 12 base damage with 2.4 added per level. This would be considered average as Merc, Commando, REX, Loader, and Arty all have the same value. So her M1 is not considered to have "alot of base damage".

It's further worth noting that her DPS stems from her M2 and R, as she only deals 150% once a second without any DPS or attack speed increases. This is much lower than most of the other survivors which either have burst firing, raw damage, or further effects which increase that damage in which isn't represented in the damage percent listed.

I'm just pointing out that what you're saying is absolutely not showing you've got the experience you're claiming to have. That's a huge issue when you're telling us "X isn't viable on Y" because you're telling us to believe you without any evidence beyond "Trust me mate".

IMO Huntress and Commando feel about the same, with the exception that Commando feels a tad weaker without his alt M2.
Either way, alot of people seem to find Commando weak after a quick google search on the topic.

I recently watched some VODs of a streamer called Woolie in which he put out his thoughts about Commando which also seem to address some sort of weakness Commando has in comparison to other characters.
Additionally, there's this video in which the person did the Commando Mastery and spent 9 hours on it:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5xr-z1oAiJk
Maybe the title for this discussion is a bit to harsh, but calling randoms on here either experienced or not doesn't help the case either. Quite the opposite sometime as seen in how the OP responded to it.

@Jarsix
@Jimmy Hunter
just in case you missed this post while making up out of context stuff and epic fail analogy

[Jimmy Hunter]

Originally posted by Sean Murray:

so you literally saying that everyone who says commando is viable on monsoon in singleplayer is experienced

The statement "An experienced player can see that commando is viable" implies that a player whom is able to unlock mastery on Commando is able to see that in singleplayer Monsoon, he is a usable survivor that can beat the game in it's current state.

If you didn't understand the analogy, why didn't you ask what it was suppose to mean? That seems very shortsighted and pretty dumb to make bold assumptions without even knowing what's being said.

you should overthink your analogy here because it makes the rest of what you say a joke

The basis of denying an entire post on the grounds of a single flaw is in itself, a fallacy. Read up on this if you want people to take you seriously. https://yourlogicalfallacyis.com/the-fallacy-fallacy

also im not even here to convince "you" that i'm experienced or not
you dont even have more time in the game than i do and talking like a big one

I don't really believe you could convince anyone that you're experienced based on your grasp of reading comprehension. Not being able to convince others via words isn't a great way to be making points or even trying to discuss balance.

Although I do have some more supplementary reading that's applicable to what you're doing with this silly "I have more hours than you" nonsense. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dunning%E2%80%93Kruger_effect

i cant take you serious here ...

I've already proven my points and those of us whom can understand what they mean will be able to take me seriously.

Hopefully one day you'll also see the voice of reason and understand why what happened here did.

[N-13 Raymond Reddington]

Originally posted by Jimmy Hunter:

The statement "An experienced player can see that commando is viable" implies that a player whom is able to unlock mastery on Commando is able to see that in singleplayer Monsoon, he is a usable survivor that can beat the game in it's current state.

If you didn't understand the analogy, why didn't you ask what it was suppose to mean? That seems very shortsighted and pretty dumb to make bold assumptions without even knowing what's being said.

dude im not here to analyze your analogies and imagine what you could mean by that
you came up to me like a complete douchebag and now probably wondering why i reply like i do...
also i did beat monsoon with commando i never said he "cant beat monsoon" it depends on how good rng is in the run...

Originally posted by Jimmy Hunter:

The basis of denying an entire post on the grounds of a single flaw is in itself, a fallacy. Read up on this if you want people to take you seriously. https://yourlogicalfallacyis.com/the-fallacy-fallacy

so basically what you did? but the difference is i'm not here to convince you its you who try to make your point valid in my view which is absolutely unnecessary and you failed allready as soon as you started making up stuff and interpret things that arent there
now you're trying to "correct" things and blaming it on my bad comprehension although you were the one acting like i killed someone of your family
nope just trying to share my point of view if its not legit valid or in any way valuable for you then its not my problem.

Originally posted by Jimmy Hunter:

I don't really believe you could convince anyone that you're experienced based on your grasp of reading comprehension. Not being able to convince others via words isn't a great way to be making points or even trying to discuss balance.

Although I do have some more supplementary reading that's applicable to what you're doing with this silly "I have more hours than you" nonsense. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dunning%E2%80%93Kruger_effect

im not here to convince anybody because this thread is about my point of view, you just seem to fail to understand that i dont care if you believe me or think my opinion is trash

Originally posted by Jimmy Hunter:

I've already proven my points and those of us whom can understand what they mean will be able to take me seriously.

Hopefully one day you'll also see the voice of reason and understand why what happened here did.

if you feel like convincing people just do it but dont try it with me because i dont see any legit reason on why i should arguing with you about this game
let me just remind you that you were the one going off topic and go full douchebag interpret stuff that wasnt there
now making jokes by sending wiki or links to some psychological stuff
english is probably your main language mine its not
so i dont think its a great idea of making jokes about me

btw even if i wouldnt beat monsoon before and would say what i said before
wouldnt mean i dont have the right to say what i said only because you dont see it as legit ...
its an opened forum i like the game and spend quite a bit of time in it
thats why i share my experience and the flaws the game has

[Ryvid]

Originally posted by Jimmy Hunter:

The statement "An experienced player can see that commando is viable" implies that a player whom is able to unlock mastery on Commando is able to see that in singleplayer Monsoon, he is a usable survivor that can beat the game in it's current state.

If you didn't understand the analogy, why didn't you ask what it was suppose to mean? That seems very shortsighted and pretty dumb to make bold assumptions without even knowing what's being said.

I learned quite recently that if I don't know if the person I'm talking to would get the analogy, be plain and direct, even if it may cause personal offense. I won't argue that implications are sometimes necessary, but it might lead to misunderstandings like it did now.

Originally posted by Jimmy Hunter:

I don't really believe you could convince anyone that you're experienced based on your grasp of reading comprehension. Not being able to convince others via words isn't a great way to be making points or even trying to discuss balance.

Based on the fact that english is not his native language, anyone should be able to discuss balance nevermind their experience. The problem is that he is feeling attacked by how you respond to him which leads to a spiral of nothingness. Even now we are getting further and further away from what the topic should be about.

He may have phrased that title poorly, but by reading the content of it it seems he tries to make a point that Commando might be one of the hardest characters to get this achievement for with his standard kit. I do not say it is impossible, because that would be straight up incorrect, but it's harder.

That leads me to think: Is it wrong to assume a character might be weaker than the others if the runs with him feel harder? Do I need to be experienced to argue that?

Originally posted by Jimmy Hunter:

I've already proven my points and those of us whom can understand what they mean will be able to take me seriously.

Hopefully one day you'll also see the voice of reason and understand why what happened here did.

As I do agree with you, it might be the way both of you interacted with each other.

[Nohead]

Originally posted by Ittrix:

Equipment can be nice, but most procs are still based on character damage, and almost all interact with proc coefficient and fire rate.

Bad procs are based on base damage, yes. But things you actually want are not. Sticky-bricky, kekulele, missle launch detected, coсk rings, hook, brilliant boom - all of them do scary ammounts of damage.

So its more about how lucky you get, than your stats or skills.

Today I HATH BECOME ZEUS, for one coin because run started like crap. Just gone to lunar and got: cell x5, hook, bendrowned. (I had missles bus soon opted for capacitor and got kekuleles and Soulbound boi).

I did not cared which character I've played till 16 lvl (when I gone celestial, zapped the crap out of bagman, and yeeted out).

So I do not think that balance is revelant RN. You may suck slightly different sizes of sausages if you do not have revelant items, but everyone is the same when you actually get items.

[󠁳⁧⁧ G○○N™♪♫]

Commando is fine. Just need to play him with proc items as stated and play close since the fall off damage on his guns hurts quite abit.

[Puffy]

Git gud, thats all. All Survivours are viable.

[Electronik]

the only thin i miss for commando is his dodge having i-frames, like in RoR... otherwise he's alright. Especially with alt M2

[N-13 Raymond Reddington]

Originally posted by Puffy:

Git gud, thats all. All Survivours are viable.

rng is rng
if a game is based on items which drop by random
is not a game where you can just say "git gud" lol
its not dark souls ...

[Jimmy Hunter]

Originally posted by Sean Murray:

Originally posted by Puffy:

Git gud, thats all. All Survivours are viable.

rng is rng
if a game is based on items which drop by random
is not a game where you can just say "git gud" lol
its not dark souls ...

Welcome to the "Rogue" genre. Enjoy your stay.