Evaportranspiration sounds off. (song)

[Kyrth]

in Evaportranspiration there's an unsynced drum-beat that is very hard to ignore.

It plays as the song hits its more intense parts, and it ruins them with its loud 'plup'ing.

Please fix :c

[Rust Titan]

This the song that plays in the Roost? I've noticed for a while now that track seems to have a section that plays at the wrong time or it's grabbing the wrong track for the layer or something. I'm usually pretty good at picking up on intentionally disharmonious stuff but this really just sounds like a track from another song randomly playing in the middle of it.

[Renz]

Really? i've never noticed anything like that, is there a way to just listen from the game folder itself or do i gotta play the game to hear it?

[Kyrth]

Originally posted by Zerac:

Really? i've never noticed anything like that, is there a way to just listen from the game folder itself or do i gotta play the game to hear it?

Chris uploaded the alpha OST on yt. It's all great stuff, save for what i just mentioned.

[ashendeer]

That's actually not unsynced! It's called a "polyrhythm". It's playing at a consistent rhythm, contrasting against the main rhythm of the song. I can't quite make out exactly what the ratio is since it seems a bit more complex than the more common ones, but I can tell you with certain that it's not a mistake, nor do I find it to ruin the song. It gives a feeling of being "wrong" because that seems to be what the intention was. Creating dissonance and an almost unsettling feeling in the track, which I find fits the mood of the game perfectly. Try focusing on only that sound and the kick drum, and it might be easier to understand how it fits in.

It's definitely not a simple thing to enjoy at first. A lot of complex polyrhythms aren't. But I speak with certainty when I say that it's very unlikely to go away with the additional confusion it adds to the track — Perfect for a game where you're lost and confused on a hostile planet. Contrasting the natural beauty with the harsh reality of the situation.

[ashendeer]

Originally posted by Rhadamante:

@Ashdeer thanks for the tidbit of information (whether you're right or wrong in this case doesn't even matter, you made me watch a couple interesting videos)

I'm glad! Always happy to share my musical knowledge with people who are interested! If you ever want to ask any questions about it (or any other music stuff) feel free to add me and we can chat about it when I have some spare time. c:

In response to the OP, c'mon, that's no way to appreciate music... Polyrhythms are such a common and basic thing in a lot of music, even if you don't realise it, it's not "artsy" or "pretentious". There's logic and theory behind it. I understand you don't like it, but nothing is stopping you from learning to like it except for yourself. I sincerely hope you're more willing to open your mind to things like this in the future. It can open up a world of interesting and unique music to you.

[Kyrth]

Originally posted by Ashdeer:

Originally posted by Rhadamante:

@Ashdeer thanks for the tidbit of information (whether you're right or wrong in this case doesn't even matter, you made me watch a couple interesting videos)

I'm glad! Always happy to share my musical knowledge with people who are interested! If you ever want to ask any questions about it (or any other music stuff) feel free to add me and we can chat about it when I have some spare time. c:

In response to the OP, c'mon, that's no way to appreciate music... Polyrhythms are such a common and basic thing in a lot of music, even if you don't realise it, it's not "artsy" or "pretentious". There's logic and theory behind it. I understand you don't like it, but nothing is stopping you from learning to like it except for yourself. I sincerely hope you're more willing to open your mind to things like this in the future. It can open up a world of interesting and unique music to you.

Nah, i'm not. If something isn't right, then it's not right.

Why doesn't matter. Opinions don't matter. Offence doesn't matter.

We all hear through the same two ears, there's nothing you're hearing that i'm not. Either way, it's a video game, not some kind of simoneo-blucharidadia-blonk art gallery. There's no logic in a bad sound playing without rhythm. Clearly the average 'plebian' like me and the two guys that came before me, don't hear it no matter which angle we look from, so there's no point in it being there. It's a flaw.

[Rhadamante]

- For starters, you're posting what you think is a bug (since you're asking for a fix) in the general discussions: there's a bug report section.
- If you think there's something wrong with the music, you should probably take it out with the composer, there's plenty of ways to contact him. He's best placed to help you.
- Only one person agreed with you in this thread so far.
- The fact that the song sounds exactly the same in game and in the video uploaded by the composer would seem to indicate that whatever you hear that is so wrong, has been put there on purpose.
- The picture has a context, it's your opening post and Ashdeer's reply. Just because there's no actual text doesn't mean I can't guess what you were trying to convey with it.

Originally posted by Catatonic_Analytic:

Nah, i'm not. If something isn't right, then it's not right.

Why doesn't matter. Opinions don't matter. Offence doesn't matter.

We all hear through the same two ears, there's nothing you're hearing that i'm not. Either way, it's a video game, not some kind of simoneo-blucharidadia-blonk art gallery. There's no logic in a bad sound playing without rhythm. Clearly the average 'plebian' like me and the two guys that came before me, don't hear it no matter which angle we look from, so there's no point in it being there. It's a flaw.

Ignoring the fact that there's a whole range of hearing impairments that can legit change the way you hear things, and ignoring the fact that bothering you may have been the goal of that tidbit in the song, what bothers you in a song is subjective.
That's why not everyone like and listen to the same genre of music, that's why even among fans of the same genre and artist, you have differences in how much people like a specific track.

Originally posted by Catatonic_Analytic:

You're getting offended on somebody else's behalf

There's nothing wrong with that. Internet doesn't suddenly make respect obsolete.

[Kyrth]

Originally posted by Rhadamante:

- For starters, you're posting what you think is a bug (since you're asking for a fix) in the general discussions: there's a bug report section.
- If you think there's something wrong with the music, you should probably take it out with the composer, there's plenty of ways to contact him. He's best placed to help you.
- Only one person agreed with you in this thread so far.
- The fact that the song sounds exactly the same in game and in the video uploaded by the composer would seem to indicate that whatever you hear that is so wrong, has been put there on purpose.
- The picture has a context, it's your opening post and Ashdeer's reply. Just because there's no actual text doesn't mean I can't guess what you were trying to convey with it.

Originally posted by Catatonic_Analytic:

Nah, i'm not. If something isn't right, then it's not right.

Why doesn't matter. Opinions don't matter. Offence doesn't matter.

We all hear through the same two ears, there's nothing you're hearing that i'm not. Either way, it's a video game, not some kind of simoneo-blucharidadia-blonk art gallery. There's no logic in a bad sound playing without rhythm. Clearly the average 'plebian' like me and the two guys that came before me, don't hear it no matter which angle we look from, so there's no point in it being there. It's a flaw.

Ignoring the fact that there's a whole range of hearing impairments that can legit change the way you hear things, and ignoring the fact that bothering you may have been the goal of that tidbit in the song, what bothers you in a song is subjective.
That's why not everyone like and listen to the same genre of music, that's why even among fans of the same genre and artist, you have differences in how much people like a specific track.

Originally posted by Catatonic_Analytic:

You're getting offended on somebody else's behalf

There's nothing wrong with that. Internet doesn't suddenly make respect obsolete.

I read the part about there being a bug section, that was useful.
The rest is just woooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooords.

[Rhadamante]

Originally posted by Catatonic_Analytic:

The rest is just woooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooords.

https://imgur.com/57jNnYs

[Kyrth]

Originally posted by Rhadamante:

Originally posted by Catatonic_Analytic:

The rest is just woooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooords.

https://imgur.com/57jNnYs

https://pics.me.me/hes-right-you-know-32644960.png

[ashendeer]

I don't like the taste of apples. There are sometimes apples in my food. That means the food is wrong.

Do you see why that argument doesn't work now? It's something completely subjective. I was trying to remain civil and explain how art works, but clearly you're not interested. I hope that every time you hear this song, the polyrhythm sticks out for you like a sore thumb and ruins all your enjoyment, because you clearly don't deserve to like it if you're going to act like this. I'm sorry you can't expand your musical palette and that you choose to be upset over something so interesting, and yet something that still is ultimately incredibly trivial.

Rhadamante, I want to thank you for your willingness to learn about this stuff. You seem like a cool and chill individual. You had no reason to keep dealing with this person (and you don't deserve to have to) but I appreciate that you at least tried. My offer still extends to you, but I'm dropping out of this thread now. Hopefully other people will come in here and come out with more knowledge than they entered with, and without the any of bitterness that the OP is trying to fill the topic with.

[Kyrth]

Originally posted by Ashdeer:

I don't like the taste of apples. There are sometimes apples in my food. That means the food is wrong.

Do you see why that argument doesn't work now? It's something completely subjective. I was trying to remain civil and explain how art works, but clearly you're not interested. I hope that every time you hear this song, the polyrhythm sticks out for you like a sore thumb and ruins all your enjoyment, because you clearly don't deserve to like it if you're going to act like this. I'm sorry you can't expand your musical palette and that you choose to be upset over something so interesting, and yet something that still is ultimately incredibly trivial.

Rhadamante, I want to thank you for your willingness to learn about this stuff. You seem like a cool and chill individual. You had no reason to keep dealing with this person (and you don't deserve to have to) but I appreciate that you at least tried. My offer still extends to you, but I'm dropping out of this thread now. Hopefully other people will come in here and come out with more knowledge than they entered with, and without the any of bitterness that the OP is trying to fill the topic with.

you're expressing the very emotions & levels of bitterness that you're accusing me of having. with no evidence to suggest that i did so.

+ Strawman

+ Marriage proposal.

10/10 would trigger again.

[LizardRoxoringKing]

Could you please upload a video with a timestamp so that we can hear exactly what passage is bothering you? I'm not hearing anything more complicated than some hemiolas (2:3) and a few syncopations (accents on off-beats).

Is this what you're talking about? (around 8:03)

https://youtu.be/UJHsClcXEFk?t=481

The synth flute is playing triplet arpeggios against a duple pulse layer.

Or maybe you're referring to this "intense" passage? (around 9:23)

https://youtu.be/UJHsClcXEFk?t=561

Here, there are some triplets and dotted rhythms in the bass (maybe with some rubato), and a few off-beat accents in the rhythm kit, but nothing crazy weird as far as rhythms are concerned. If there are more complicated polyrhythms, maybe I missed them.

If you want to acquire a taste for simple polyrhythms and metrical dissonance in general, a good place to start would be with Brahms or Schumann.

[Kyrth]

Originally posted by LizardRoxoringKing:

Could you please upload a video with a timestamp so that we can hear exactly what passage is bothering you? I'm not hearing anything more complicated than some hemiolas (2:3) and a few syncopations (accents on off-beats).

Is this what you're talking about? (around 8:03)

https://youtu.be/UJHsClcXEFk?t=481

The synth flute is playing triplet arpeggios against a duple pulse layer.

Or maybe you're referring to this "intense" passage? (around 9:23)

https://youtu.be/UJHsClcXEFk?t=561

Here, there are some triplets and dotted rhythms in the bass (maybe with some rubato), and a few off-beat accents in the rhythm kit, but nothing crazy weird as far as rhythms are concerned. If there are more complicated polyrhythms, maybe I missed them.

If you want to acquire a taste for simple polyrhythms and metrical dissonance in general, a good place to start would be with Brahms or Schumann.

Yeah it's the 9:23. there's where you hear it. everything else in that moment sounds like a deep dissent, lots of things playing at once, all draggy like, but that 'plup' makes it impossible to listen into it & enjoy it.
reminds me of this.
https://youtu.be/cVsQLlk-T0s

[Iku-Turso]

Here have a little cookie for your loss. Intented polyrhytm imho. Sounds dank af. Reminds me bit of Panzerballet