Huntress taking Frost Relic over Mercs...

[A.J]

... You're a big sinner. The past two games where this item drops, the huntress just picks it up without even sparing a thought of letting the Merc have it. When I used to play a ranged class and that item drops I'd always tell the Merc to come get it. Now that I play a Merc it's happened precisely 0 times.

It's best to just stick to single player in this game.

[Derp]

I hear you. I do think it’s regrettable but I don’t think it’s as grave an offense as you’re making it sound. Sometimes your brain just doesn’t work fast enough to consider the item you’re about to get would be way better suited for someone else. And then it’s too late and you’re a bit embarrassed.

I’ve regrettably picked up Backup Mags as Engi when my Huntress partner is next to me like “c’mon bruh”

[n i k o]

after playing single for so long i have a bad habit of picking up most stuff from chests i open.

[Dantou]

If you bored of people doing that, stop playing automatchmaking, and go to official discord to form group.
Communication is important in this game and vocal helps a lot. I use to warn people before they open a gold chest, to remember them to check what it is before they grab it.

[Shwartzs]

what's sad is that many of us try to play for team, then there are the bad apples who ruin it for the rest. Match Making is poorly designed. And the few who disregard to team work aspect in randoms have no clue what a team means. I try to share the items needed for the class, but unfortunately we tend to open many chests and loot em so fast unknowingly. Its nice to see others working together though, really makes the res who don't look foolish

[Cacomistle]

I like it better on huntress. Its useless late game either way, and both of them can actually deal damage with it before the 1 shot phase (its just not worth the effort cause its such trash).

The thing is though you hit late game. And merc has worse ways to hit barrels. So frost relic can get him killed by the explosives on stage 2-3.

I know what you're gonna say. "Just don't walk into the explosives". In like 20 runs with frost relic I've died twice to that. But lets say I was paying more attention and that didn't happen. But the number of times frost relic has helped me win a run is 0.

So basically, the item is worthless, but at least it won't kill you on huntress. Its actually better on her.

Now obviously though those people didn't do this analysis, they just saw a red and picked it up. Honestly I think if you have more fun with a solo mindset, just play solo. Why play with teammates if you don't acknowledge they exist?

[Sylpheed]

Honestly RoR was mostly a single player game with the option to play with your friends in multiplayer since the original game. So when you do multiplayer with randoms it's generally not fun unless they're like minded people, but you can tell they're trying to push it more towards a multiplayer experience in this one.

[BLAME! 40K]

Well you cant blame him for that , whats his guarante you would give him something red what YOU consider worth it for him. I totally get your point , but if you are not a premade group where everyone agrees on specific item sharing , its his right to build his character like he wants in that run

[BLAME! 40K]

U cant be mad at a random player in a random group that other ppl dont have the exact pov on it

[Ittrix]

I love the sharing mentality, but I also don't want to have to fork over a red item I've never used every time it drops while my entire team chants "For the team! For the team!", or risk facing a hissy fit/rage quit because "Everyone knows ____ Doesn't need ___!"
Sure, usually I'll throw the item to whoever benefits more from it. Especially if I actively don't want the item (Looking at you, wake of vultures.)
But let's not forget, I play the game for fun. Maybe I enjoy using the snowflake. Maybe I'd like to use it for once without having to roll a merc and not come across some guy on the forums throwing shade at my type because 'how DARE you not give a niche crappy item that's meta for a different character in a pick up group that wasn't organized at all to the appropriate character!'

if you want a meta team who always shares and spreads out the items properly, organize one. Don't just kick down the doors of people doing a pick-up game (Who may very well be on their first or second run by the by) and impose unwritten rules on them.

[a e s t h e t i c]

RoR 2 Multiplayer with randoms at its finest

[Cacomistle]

I'd also mention if we're really "for the team" here, you're doing it wrong. Frost relic doesn't go to merc, it goes to tye best player along with every other item (except fungus goes to engineer and backup mag doesn't go to engineer). The items multiply damage off each other, so 1 person with 100 items will actually deal a lot more damage than 4 people with 1 item.

Your gut reaction is to complain. But the huntress just wants to have fun. And it's honestly not even a good item on merc. You're not giving up every item you pick up because they scale better on the engineer.

[a e s t h e t i c]

'it goes to tye best player along with every other item'
such 'best' players like that thief on huntress are just standing somewhere in distance and making that item useless, i've seen so many times such type of people and better to not see again

'And it's honestly not even a good item on merc'
CoolStoryBob, tell me more about direct melee support item that is not fitting Merc by your honest opinion. Maybe Monster Tooth, Wax Quail, Bandolier and Tesla Coil are also 'not good items for melee survivor?' CarlSmile

Now i'm even more motivated after such posts to not give for Engi N'kuhana's Opinion when its droping from chests, better to take for myself even if i don't have even 1 item with healing factor

[Cacomistle]

Originally posted by a e s t h e t i c:

'it goes to tye best player along with every other item'
such 'best' players like that thief on huntress are just standing somewhere in distance and making that item useless, i've seen so many times such type of people and better to not see again

'And it's honestly not even a good item on merc'
CoolStoryBob, tell me more about direct melee support item that is not fitting Merc by your honest opinion. Maybe Monster Tooth, Wax Quail, Bandolier and Tesla Coil are also 'not good items for melee survivor?' CarlSmile

Now i'm even more motivated after such posts to not give for Engi N'kuhana's Opinion when its droping from chests, better to take for myself even if i don't have even 1 item with healing factor

I know you're looking at he best player thing and thinking its something elitist. But its not. Its literally just items scale the best on a single player. The best player just makes sense there, but to be honest its probably just the engineer. If you give every single item in a 4 player game to engineer, he doesn't even need to be good because the turrets will kill instantly.


Merc late game can't stand near enemies either. Frost relic's damage barely scales, its only got a .05 proc coeffecient. And merc doesn't have good ways to kill barrels, which means he's locked into a smaller area until he can spend time to shift through them or he might walk into them and explode.

Early game its not difficult to walk near enemies on huntress. She'll get less damage off of it than merc on average sure, but she can use it. By the time you get to mid game, its just such a worthless item it doesn't matter either way.

Its like complaining the huntress picked up tri-tip dagger when its a better item on commando. Its really not that imapctful of an item that it matters that much. But I don't know, maybe in all your runs you give up tri-tip to the commando.

Some people just want to play the game and they don't want to give up power to another player because the item scales a little bit better on them.

And by some people, I mean everybody because I am highly willing to bet you're not stacking every gasoline on a single player, or letting commando pick up tri-tip and missle when you're playing artificer, or possibly even going so far as giving artificer all the crowbars, or engineer all the tesla coils. You're probably redistrubuting reds and obvious choices like fungus, but not a lot of the big game impacters.

And what I was really trying to point out is that the game would be awful if you distributed every item to who its best on. Cause its engineer every time. His items scale 3 times on him, and he's got the highest base damage so even items like gasoline are scaling better on him.

And now when you get to frost relic, he's got like 10 stickies and a bunch of other stuff it could proc, and mercenary has no items because he gave them all up to engineer (and ofc he gets 3 frost relics and higher base damage and can easily kill barrels before he walks into them and explodes). Its better on the engineer.

I get your point for the ones with an actually really significant power difference. Like Nkhunas on an engineer with 10 fungus. But frost relic, it honestly doesn't make a difference. If I was playing to win, I'd pick it up just so the merc doesn't kill himself with it. And playing for fun, I don't see why I'd value their fun over mine, so I'd give frost relic to whoever picked it up.

You're looking for some sort of optimal play, but optimal play here is awful. Just let people play for fun, and some people have fun not giving up their items to the team.

Like the last post in your thread, I think its better to just stick to single player. The game honestly isn't set up for teamwork. You're not gonna get it unless you're playing with friends.

[BLAME! 40K]

Originally posted by a e s t h e t i c:

'it goes to tye best player along with every other item'
such 'best' players like that thief on huntress are just standing somewhere in distance and making that item useless, i've seen so many times such type of people and better to not see again

'And it's honestly not even a good item on merc'
CoolStoryBob, tell me more about direct melee support item that is not fitting Merc by your honest opinion. Maybe Monster Tooth, Wax Quail, Bandolier and Tesla Coil are also 'not good items for melee survivor?' CarlSmile

Now i'm even more motivated after such posts to not give for Engi N'kuhana's Opinion when its droping from chests, better to take for myself even if i don't have even 1 item with healing factor

Then dont play with a random team.

[a e s t h e t i c]

Originally posted by Blame! 40K:

Originally posted by a e s t h e t i c:

'it goes to tye best player along with every other item'
such 'best' players like that thief on huntress are just standing somewhere in distance and making that item useless, i've seen so many times such type of people and better to not see again

'And it's honestly not even a good item on merc'
CoolStoryBob, tell me more about direct melee support item that is not fitting Merc by your honest opinion. Maybe Monster Tooth, Wax Quail, Bandolier and Tesla Coil are also 'not good items for melee survivor?' CarlSmile

Now i'm even more motivated after such posts to not give for Engi N'kuhana's Opinion when its droping from chests, better to take for myself even if i don't have even 1 item with healing factor

Then dont play with a random team.

I'm not even playing multiplayer already for 1 month, because i'm done with all that mess in random quickplay, Single player all the way. Like AmirosBambiros said 'It's best to just stick to single player in this game.' and he is absolutly right, better to not touch random matches at all, only with friends or like in other discussions people suggest to use Discord. I'm waiting for some addition in multiplayer like list of lobbies in many other games