Top 5 hardest bosses in the series? (In your oppinion)

[Arkardu]

I'm curious to see which bosses has caused people the most trouble.

[Forgot7en]

lol easiest to do with "Cerberus air," which I assume you mean Swing. What about Aerial Rave, Flicker, Aerial Cross, Sky Dance, Air Play, Air Slash, The Hammer, Shotgun, Artemis, etc.? Also you can't loop Beowulf. He changes his behavior halfway through the fight, starts running away, doing Volcanos more often, etc.

[ChurchGorilla]

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lol easiest to do with "Cerberus air," which I assume you mean Swing. What about Aerial Rave, Flicker, Aerial Cross, Sky Dance, Air Play, Air Slash, The Hammer, Shotgun, Artemis, etc.?

Of course you can do it with anything else but Cerberus is usually the easiest and safest due to the fast swing time and nicely fitting hurtbox.

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Also you can't loop Beowulf

Outside of special behaviors like his running phases, you can (maybe you can even blind him just before he starts sprinting though I'm not sure since it's been a while)

[Forgot7en]

False. Aerial Cross is faster than Swing and deals more damage, therefore better at blinding Beowulf. Dante also descends faster from Aerial Cross than he does from Swing, therefore it's safer as well; different aerial attacks have different physics, Aerial Play for example holds you in the air much, much longer than either one, so it's not that safe to use. As for "nicely fitting hurtbox", I guess you're talking about hitbox and range, in which case, Air Slash is better.

And no, you cannot loop Beowulf. You'll end up eventually killing him by trying, especially below DMD mode.

[error780]

After beating DMC 1 on DMD mode I seriously think I should remove completely Nightmare and add somewhere Griffon 3 (it has the worst camera fight I've seen) and Mundus 2 (quite often you need to parry two or even three attacks at once)

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#5 DMC2 Bolverk (♥♥♥♥ those wolves)
#4 DMC2 Trismagia (can't use melee attacks and need to constantly evade)
#3 DMC3 Arkham (can't DT half fight)
#2 DMC3 Vergil 3 (he is the final boss for a reason, you know)
#1 DMC Nightmare 3 (that's what I call a really appropiate name for a boss)

[JH1000]

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"Oppinion"?

I define a difficult boss based on how challenging it is to defeat it without taking damage while doing the most damage yourself on DMD. Therefore, every single boss in DMC4 is a joke and instantly disqualified. They're more aggressive in 4SE, which makes Berial more annoying than difficult, but otherwise they're just as absurdly easy.

So here's my top 5:
#5 DMC1 Nightmare 3
#4 DMC3 Vergil 3
#3 DMC2 Tateobesu
#2 DMC2 Trismagia
#1 DMC2 Argosax Chaos

Nightmare 3? The most predictable boss ever which lets you freely attack its core every time it's exposed? And at the same time DMC4 bosses are all jokes? And Vergil 3? A boss with A.I. so broken you can literally spam jump-canceled airborne Beowulf kicks all fight until he devil triggers, then rinse and repeat? And Argosax, some animal standing around performing the same attacks in the same patterns into the same directions all battle while there are a dozen safespots? Nice list. Stay based.

By the way Phantom 3 is the hardest boss, it's ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ impossible to get him to jump onto the glass ceiling three times unless you have INSANE GAMING SKILLZ.

[Marmo]

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"Oppinion"?

I define a difficult boss based on how challenging it is to defeat it without taking damage while doing the most damage yourself on DMD. Therefore, every single boss in DMC4 is a joke and instantly disqualified. They're more aggressive in 4SE, which makes Berial more annoying than difficult, but otherwise they're just as absurdly easy.

So here's my top 5:
#5 DMC1 Nightmare 3
#4 DMC3 Vergil 3
#3 DMC2 Tateobesu
#2 DMC2 Trismagia
#1 DMC2 Argosax Chaos

Nightmare 3?

He is probably talking about DMD mode. Nightmare 3 takes way less damage in that mode , does crazy ammount of damage to the player and its attacks are barely telegraphed. It really isn't that much of an easy fight until you figure out that Ifrit is the way to go.

As for the hardest fight for me it was probably Vergil 3 in all modes. Honorable mention goes to Cerberus aka the anti-casual wall but that of course is when you leave DMC3 experience off the table. I'm talking about first playthrough here. Every single friend i've lend my original DMC3 (US) copy gave up the game at that point. He is the videogame enemy that literally says to the player "You got nothing here and nothings got you. This is it, this is where the game actually starts. You either adapt to it or go play something else."

[JH1000]

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Nightmare 3?

He is probably talking about DMD mode. Nightmare 3 takes way less damage in that mode , does crazy ammount of damage to the player and its attacks are barely telegraphed. It really isn't that much of an easy fight until you figure out that Ifrit is the way to go.

As for the hardest fight for me it was probably Vergil 3 in all modes. Honorable mention goes to Cerberus aka the anti-casual wall but that of course is when you leave DMC3 experience off the table. I'm talking about first playthrough here. Every single friend i've lend my original DMC3 (US) copy gave up the game at that point. He is the videogame enemy that literally says to the player "You got nothing here and nothings got you. This is it, this is where the game actually starts. You either adapt to it or go play something else."

I never consider anything else then DMD. And DMD mode or not, Nightmare's attacks are absolutely obvious, mostly very easy to dodge and even parry and overall just slow. They totally are very, very clearly telegraphed and in fact he does a lot of them always in the same order.

[Marmo]

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He is probably talking about DMD mode. Nightmare 3 takes way less damage in that mode , does crazy ammount of damage to the player and its attacks are barely telegraphed. It really isn't that much of an easy fight until you figure out that Ifrit is the way to go.

As for the hardest fight for me it was probably Vergil 3 in all modes. Honorable mention goes to Cerberus aka the anti-casual wall but that of course is when you leave DMC3 experience off the table. I'm talking about first playthrough here. Every single friend i've lend my original DMC3 (US) copy gave up the game at that point. He is the videogame enemy that literally says to the player "You got nothing here and nothings got you. This is it, this is where the game actually starts. You either adapt to it or go play something else."

I never consider anything else then DMD. And DMD mode or not, Nightmare's attacks are absolutely obvious, mostly very easy to dodge and even parry and overall just slow. They totally are very, very clearly telegraphed and in fact he does a lot of them always in the same order.

I disagree. Nightmare's 3-hit spear attack is clearly not telegraphed. Previous experience is required to dodge that attack's pattern and the camera often screws you over.

Timestamp 1:14
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HyDc1xN0rbc&t=67s

[JH1000]

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I never consider anything else then DMD. And DMD mode or not, Nightmare's attacks are absolutely obvious, mostly very easy to dodge and even parry and overall just slow. They totally are very, very clearly telegraphed and in fact he does a lot of them always in the same order.

I disagree. Nightmare's 3-hit spear attack is clearly not telegraphed. Previous experience is required to dodge that attack's pattern and the camera often screws you over.

Timestamp 1:14
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HyDc1xN0rbc&t=67s

You're telling me that Nightmare spinning to line itself up and hit you with the spear is not telegraphed? I don't know what to say. That is probably his easiest move to foresee because of how obvious it is that he is going to use it. And the camera argument is pointless because every single attack in this game can ♥♥♥♥ you over due to bad camera angles. This is very easy to avoid, too, by simply not running behind an enemy like this guy is doing. That being said, even with the bad camera angle in this video you can clearly see Nightmare flattening and turning before using the spear.

[Marmo]

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I disagree. Nightmare's 3-hit spear attack is clearly not telegraphed. Previous experience is required to dodge that attack's pattern and the camera often screws you over.

Timestamp 1:14
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HyDc1xN0rbc&t=67s

You're telling me that Nightmare spinning to line itself up and hit you with the spear is not telegraphed? I don't know what to say. That is probably his easiest move to foresee because of how obvious it is that he is going to use it. And the camera argument is pointless because every single attack in this game can ♥♥♥♥ you over due to bad camera angles. This is very easy to avoid, too, by simply not running behind an enemy like this guy is doing. That being said, even with the bad camera angle in this video you can clearly see Nightmare flattening and turning before using the spear.

Nightmare will sometimes spin without even triggering its spear attack. Also what happens when you're already at the side and it doesn't even need to align itself in the first place? Calling that attack "obvious" tells me that you are here just to disagree.

[JH1000]

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You're telling me that Nightmare spinning to line itself up and hit you with the spear is not telegraphed? I don't know what to say. That is probably his easiest move to foresee because of how obvious it is that he is going to use it. And the camera argument is pointless because every single attack in this game can ♥♥♥♥ you over due to bad camera angles. This is very easy to avoid, too, by simply not running behind an enemy like this guy is doing. That being said, even with the bad camera angle in this video you can clearly see Nightmare flattening and turning before using the spear.

Nightmare will sometimes spin without even triggering its spear attack. Also what happens when you're already at the side and it doesn't even need to align itself in the first place? Calling that attack "obvious" tells me that you are here just to disagree.

It spins and twitches before it stabs even if you're already to its side. It also always does its attacks in the same order.

It's obvious at this point that you just don't know much about the game.

Here, read the notes about Nightmare for mission 16 in this guide (or in the boss section I guess):

http://www.phantombabies.net/faq/#7

or here:

https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/ps2/445101-devil-may-cry/faqs/44401

Or in any somewhat decent resource out there, really. Every decent DMC player knows about this.

As I said, the fight is the same pattern over and over, and if you truly cannot remember a sequence of a handful attacks then every single one is also clearly telegraphed. Very well explained in the guide.

Now please explain to me how stating a few facts which have been known in the DMC community for over ten years is "being here simply to disagree". Facts aren't an opinion, and disagreeing means having a different opinion.