Devil May Cry HD Collection

Devil May Cry HD Collection

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Is this better than the DMC remake that was reliesed a few years ago?
I never beat it, but everyone I talked to said its bad compared to these one's
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Diamond of Aces Dec 26, 2018 @ 8:00pm 
In terms of gameplay, I believe the remake is superior, but it is widely disliked for it's change of story and character. Not to say the gameplay is bad in these, except maybe Devil May Cry 2, but they are a bit aged.
Director Bison Dec 26, 2018 @ 8:05pm 
Reboot, DmC was not a remake not even close.

The difference between Classic Devil May Cry and the Reboot is that the Reboot takes little effort to become good at that makes inexperienced players feel good about themselves, while veterans are left dissatisfied from the lack of challenge.

DMC 1, 3, and 4 on the other hand aren't afraid to kick your teeth in until you learn, but once you become skilled and step up to the challenge it's the most rewarding feeling in the world.

The reboot is about making you feel awesome, The classics are about you earning the right to becoming legitimately awesome.
KFCBUCKETS9000 Dec 26, 2018 @ 8:22pm 
Originally posted by Director Bison:
Reboot, DmC was not a remake not even close.

The difference between Classic Devil May Cry and the Reboot is that the Reboot takes little effort to become good at that makes inexperienced players feel good about themselves, while veterans are left dissatisfied from the lack of challenge.

DMC 1, 3, and 4 on the other hand aren't afraid to kick your teeth in until you learn, but once you become skilled and step up to the challenge it's the most rewarding feeling in the world.

The reboot is about making you feel awesome, The classics are about you earning the right to becoming legitimately awesome.
I meant to say reboot
Diamond of Aces Dec 26, 2018 @ 8:30pm 
Originally posted by xdemonslayerrx1:
I meant to say reboot
Yeah, oh well. Don't care care about that game enough to care about it's title.
Sobrio Dec 27, 2018 @ 5:32am 
Started DMC3 walktrough for the first time and I must say that this is the best game in this genre.
iemander Dec 31, 2018 @ 4:48pm 
Imagine they take your favorite badass character and turn him into a teenage ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ that thinks swearing is awesome, and seems to be extremely conscious of how people perceive him. That's what happened to the reboot.

Imagine a new terminator film that has the next terminator cast from this:
https://cdn.images.express.co.uk/img/dynamic/36/590x/Anrold-s-568683.jpg

Into this:
https://ae01.alicdn.com/kf/HTB1VZ1MQVXXXXaBXVXXq6xXFXXXh/Summer-New-Male-Mesh-Thin-Trench-Coat-Punk-Gothic-Costume-Men-Women-Fashion-Casual-Sunscreen-Cardigan.jpg

I remember when they called Dante crackhead because of how silly he looked. They did adjust it a lot tho towards release, to make him again more similar to the original. Still a far way from that.

That's basically what pissed people off.

The gameplay isn't that great either, it's decent, but DMC4 is absolutely still the pinnacle of the series in terms of gameplay.
Last edited by iemander; Dec 31, 2018 @ 4:52pm
iemander Dec 31, 2018 @ 5:11pm 
Gigadesu! Dec 31, 2018 @ 7:08pm 
Yeah 1 and 3 are a better experience than the reboot. Buying the reboot kinda makes no sense seeing as now it's a deboot.
Last edited by Gigadesu!; Dec 31, 2018 @ 7:09pm
I never played the original Devil May Cry game until I picked up the trilogy collection for PS3 (shortly before swapping out a PS3 for a PS4), which was after I played Ninja Theory's Devil May Cry.

However I did happen to play Devil May Cry 4 some later (haven't finished it yet as I was playing for the S-rank challenge rather than the story seeing I never played DMC 1 Properly, never touched DMC 2, and DMC 3 didn't work for me on steam.)

With the release of DMC 5 happening later this year, I decided to go back and try to get all the achievements for DMC 1-4 to prep for DMC 5 (as well as NT'S DMC if I have the extra time)

As of now just starting DMD difficulty on DMC 1 which is the last one before I move into DMC 2.

Saying all that mainly because my viewpoint I would suspect would be fairly different from the long time fans who played on the original PS2.

You can skip straight to the end if you don't want to read how I view the ones I've played thus far.

DMC 1 and I assume the rest of the series has it's own story, focuses on internalization of conflict through multiple specific plot points.

Massive spoiler warning for DMC 1, don't care if the game came out in 2001, I'm staying ontop of it. Also wall of text inc.
-DMC 1-
Dante is a seemingly worry-free devil hunter, and has been for some time, with a personal vendetta against demons due to death of his Mother and Brother (what we hear even though Vergil/Nelo Angelo is a boss in DMC1.) This trend continues on with the various boss fights, changing a bit when Mundus kills Griffon, where Dante gets pissed at Mundus for killing his own kind. This leads to a bit of more dimension to Dante, with him now holding some sort of respect to allies. This continues even further in the fights against Nelo Angelo, with the final fight Dante specifically pointing out how Nelo is a man with guts and honor, remarking that Nelo shouldn't work with Mundus. I would actually believe if Nelo swapped sides after this final fight (if he was still alive) that Dante would have been accepting of the change. From that Dante feels like he's not mindlessly killing his opponents and does actually respect them if they prove to be earning of respect. Finally, when it comes to Trish, Dante specifically saves her due to her having a likeness of his mother, despite being betrayed. This I feel levels out Dante as being more multi-dimensional, on-top of the already complex world of symbols and concepts we see all over DMC. He even points out she's a devil via the betrayal and lets her go, which would be the opposite of his whole career as a devil hunter. Of course then there's the scene were Trish "dies" and Dante ends up crying over her. With the uhh, S-rank voice acting and the whole "fill your dark soul with light" thing, I'd honestly say it feels a bit of a weird turn again when it first happens. Again when you think about it, Dante probably started realizing after Trish sacrificed herself that she wasn't originally a devil as he thought, or alternatively, felt guilty and felt he over-reacted.

From this point forward it's final fight, Jackpot scene, escape from island, and the happy ending, which if you got invested enough to pay more attention to the story, you should feel this ending is satisfying. Unless you realize how it might have been cooler if Nelo helped you out in the Mundus fight as true identity Vergil. But then it wouldn't have setup the other games with Vergil how I suspect most people like him (and how I'm very interested in his appearances because I specifically haven't seen him outside DMC 1 and NT DMC.)

And to top it off, Dante is too cool to smoke.


DMC 2
I know nothing about this game, and am going into it with an open mind on IIRC a dev swap, so I'll just consider it a change in direction for gameplay and mechanics with the hope the story I end up enjoying as the first.

DMC 3
I know nothing about this one, excited to play it.

DMC 4
Spoiler warnings for what I personally know, memory is fairly dodgy right now so forgive any errors

So from what little I've played, you start out playing the new guy Nero, who definitely seems angsty, tough-acting wannabe. Seems fairly bland at first. But he obviously cares about his love interest (makes sure to show up by the end of her song, leaves her a golden necklace as a present.)
I know Nero is part of a church sect knight order or something, and it seems they worship Sparda, sweet. Nero however doesn't seem too caring, finding a lot of the church stuff boring.
Dante, in his normal shenanigan style, jumps in, and assassinates the head dude. Fight scene happens, Dante notices Nero is different, and says something along the lines of "different than the others." Now, I have played a bit further, and it seems the order Nero is a part of isn't necessarily good. So after playing DMC 1 a few times, and knowing Dante was very much a protag of the previous games, I can only guess Dante is trying to stop evil sect order that Nero is a part of, and either A: Sect is all Demons and Dante realizes Nero is only part demon, or B: Sect is a bunch of humans who are converting to demons and Dante realizes Nero is the only true demon/part demon. So I expect they team up to fight the order later. Especially after some of the other Dante interactions I've seen in my playthrough.

Sounds to me Nero's in for some character growth or character complexity. Sure enough after fighting one or two bosses, giving some quick remarks, he runs across Yamato, which Nero pretty much gets ♥♥♥♥♥♥ before awakening his Devil Trigger. At this point, after awakening it, he spews something along the lines "I'll become a demon to save her" in reference to Kyrie. This easily leads more into the character growth idea of self-sacrifice for someone else and the maturity that will eventually come with it. Or the character complexity when turns out Kyrie is actually the final enemy boss and Nero has to kill his loved one. Or something.

But that's as far as I got as at the time I was going for S ranks.


With the two that I've played, and what I see the story is character-driven, focused around the characters you play and the people/places surrounding them.


Now for NT's DMC. The one that many hate. I don't hate it. I might play it again in the future. But after having played it I can firmly say it's a different world where it's meant to be an angst-based satire on our own world of America. Every single thing has an angst-based twist to it. I'm going to say it's not gritty. It's very far from being gritty. This is not a gritty game. It almost 100% is a demon-hunting story in a satire based world.

I almost don't feel like leaving spoilers for this one because if you look at a story of a demon hunter, and ask yourself "how can we change it to fit 2012-2013 Satire America" you can probably guess at least some of the basic elements involved. Also note I said 2012-2013 Satire America. I can practically guarantee the game would be much different if it was 2017-2018 Satire America. Lastly the game thankfully does have the "make the player feel bad-ass" mix so if you didn't play any of the original DMC stuff, you probably will at least like those bits.

To begin, opening cutscene doesn't start with background for Dante. It's an immediate Satire on corporation power, with Mr Evil Bald Man talking about how he'll socially and economically destroy a person for failing to follow orders. TWIST, IT'S THE PRESIDENT! No not Mr. Evil Bald Man, the guy Mr Evil Bald Man is talking to. After this conversation ends, Mr Evil Bald Man immediately starts talking about how he'll own everything through debt. debt? You mean people spend more than they make debt? Not even 2 minutes in and it's already gotten three satire elements to the prologue. Oh wait. Make that 4. Mr Evil Bald Man's lady friend makes very clear sexual references about "grabbing it by the hair and bending it over." Or is that 5 for BDSM? Can BDSM be satirical in that way?

And the next 10 lines after revealing Dante is a loose end on Mr Evil Bald Man's control. Dante's Mom is called a ♥♥♥♥♥, and Mr Evil Bald Man says he'll rip open Dante's chest and feast on his beating heart. 6 Satirical references (Technically this obviously evil dude might only be 1 satirical reference, due to him being a source of other satirical referneces.)

And next scene is a party, with some music (you can probably guess how the music is), Dante brings home 2 dancers, has sex with them in multiple locations. More satire. Oh hey nights over and....Oh an Anonymous Group reference, with the terrorist talking about demons? Satire again? I'm not sure on this one because we know demons are real in this game, so is it Satire if it's referencing something in real life, satirizing it a bit, but on a very real subject in the video game?

I mean. I can go about the Satire. But stepping away from it, there are some definite character growth aspects as well as character complexity. The character complexity IIRC is mainly on the Dante vs Vergil aspect at the end involving Freedom vs Control or Law vs Chaos. As well as some other bits scattered everywhere. It's not so much that Dante is one dimensional, it's more the entire world is fairly straight forward in how it was created and presented. Infact in my personal opinion the worst part of the game is how Kat could have been a better character in many different ways. She is unique compared to a normal female sidekick to our male protag. But in this world, full of satire, she feels roughly on par with everything else.

Don't get me wrong, again, Kat has her purposes in the game, taking specifically from the wikia she serves to further both Vergil and Dante in their personality (showing how logical and goal-orientated Vergil is by him wiping her memories after they had a relationship to focus on the goals, and to get Dante to wake up to actual problems in the world instead of just being moody over his own personal issues (hinting possibly towards satire again?)

taking more from that, she had a backstory of seeing demons, being put on drugs for sedation, then she was abused by her demon father, got into Limbo, Vergil saved her, taught her things, she killed her father, then she worked side by side with Vergil.

It's not a bad backstory. But it feels somewhat normal from what all we see in this world. Everything is satire, every character we meet is vices or some variation thereof, even Vergil who doesn't seem to have any vices ends up being an extreme polar opposite to all of the vices, which IMO almost if not straight up turns him into a bit of satire as well.

But that's more a personal gripe, but nothing else IMO should be said involving the story as with that I can get the general feel of the story across.


To wrap it up, Ninja Theory's DMC seems to definitely feel more Plot Driven compared to the original DMC games, which at least to me feel more Character Driven. I'm not saying both don't have some of the other, but it's a different intake of how things are. I could tell you a lot more of the background of NT'S DMC than I could of DMC 1 or from what I know about DMC 4.

So I guess to anyone who is trying to figure out the difference, it really depends if you want to see the Franchise's Story of Devil Hunters which features an original story or the one-off made by NT which tried to change things up to make it their own by putting that story in a satire based 2012-2013 America.

Again, sorry for the long text-walls
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Director Bison Jan 2, 2019 @ 3:12pm 
Originally posted by Potato Doge:
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Now I actually enjoy DMC2, but DO NOT go into it expecting anything close to the quality of DMC1
Basically nobody from the DMC1 staff worked on DMC2, and the DMC2 sat on there asses for months not knowing how to make a DMC game until the Main Director of DMC now, Hideaki Itsuno, showed up to fix the mess that was the games development, and the game got rushed out in a few months.

Itsuno didn't want to be known as the DMC2 guy, and that's how DMC3 became amazing.
Last edited by Director Bison; Jan 2, 2019 @ 3:13pm
Originally posted by Director Bison:
Originally posted by Potato Doge:
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Now I actually enjoy DMC2, but DO NOT go into it expecting anything close to the quality of DMC1
Basically nobody from the DMC1 staff worked on DMC2, and the DMC2 sat on there asses for months not knowing how to make a DMC game until the Main Director of DMC now, Hideaki Itsuno, showed up to fix the mess that was the games development, and the game got rushed out in a few months.

Itsuno didn't want to be known as the DMC2 guy, and that's how DMC3 became amazing.

I'll definitely play it and keep that in mind. My biggest issue with the first one was actually the Enemy Files bit since I'm actually aiming to 100% the HD Collection via Achievements. By the time I got to hard mode I had completed DMC1 three times on Normal, first time I didn't even realize there were other guns as I had missed them on my playthrough, then when I played it again recently, I realized I missed the guns and did an actual normal playthrough. Then when I did the 100% upgrade playthrough I realized that on the 12th Secret Mission you get the Time Band as well as learned what weapons tended to work better on certain enemies. Blazed through hard mode fairly quickly and about to start my DMD difficulty run with 50 Yellow Orbs and 10 Devil Trigger stars with some red orbs left over incase I need to restock. Should be a fairly quick 4 hour run but I got some studying to do for college before I wrap up DMC1.
Last edited by Potato Doge ( ★ ★ ★ ); Jan 2, 2019 @ 5:07pm
Director Bison Jan 2, 2019 @ 6:16pm 
Originally posted by Potato Doge:
DMC1's DMD Should be a fairly quick 4 hour run
This is your first time playing DMD right, good luck with that...
Originally posted by Director Bison:
Originally posted by Potato Doge:
DMC1's DMD Should be a fairly quick 4 hour run
This is your first time playing DMD right, good luck with that...

I definitely under-estimated the bosses. Just beat Phantom 2nd try. Nelo will probably add a solid 30 minutes on his final encounter due to how dangerous his swords should be. Still not sure how fast Nightmare and Griffon are gonna go down though. The normal demons are easy enough excluding Death Scissors and Shadows but even then I haven't had any problems with them yet outside of just goofing a dodge once or twice.

Edit: Final Mundus fight took me 2 hours. Sucks cause I went in with only one untouchable and one vital star.
Last edited by Potato Doge ( ★ ★ ★ ); Jan 3, 2019 @ 3:09am
mdesaleah Jan 28, 2019 @ 5:25am 
Originally posted by Potato Doge:
Originally posted by Director Bison:
This is your first time playing DMD right, good luck with that...

I definitely under-estimated the bosses. Just beat Phantom 2nd try. Nelo will probably add a solid 30 minutes on his final encounter due to how dangerous his swords should be. Still not sure how fast Nightmare and Griffon are gonna go down though. The normal demons are easy enough excluding Death Scissors and Shadows but even then I haven't had any problems with them yet outside of just goofing a dodge once or twice.

Edit: Final Mundus fight took me 2 hours. Sucks cause I went in with only one untouchable and one vital star.
2 is not very good xD. It gets boring really fast and the guns are very overpowered. I ended up skipping to 3 before going back. 3 is excellent, and 4 is as well.
The reboot wasn't a bad game

Just wasn't a good DMC game.
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