dragging IS an exploit (Jax was wrong)

[Stouty Coaching]

https://youtu.be/Uvaz1Svq794

[Stouty Coaching]

I'll answer both of you drones simultaneously - apparently I'm attacking Mordhau simply because I'm working on another game in the genre and also I'm not needed in the genre. Insanity. If that was a stab drag, why did he not use the term dragging? Instead Marox says he re-positioned his strike from the feet to hit the head, which is a normal use case of real time swings, unrelated to the drag exploit.

Duckie - you failed to make any further points about fighting games being dead compared to FPS. That's because you have none. Tink - I would claim you're on Triternion's pay roll for how desperate you are to defend their dying title, but I know they would never spend a penny on marketing. I would 10-0 the two of you, 2vs1

[Stouty Coaching]

follow-up video: https://youtu.be/EN0kOTwtAYI

[Tinkuwu]

引用自 Stouty Coaching：

I'll answer both of you drones simultaneously - apparently I'm attacking Mordhau simply because I'm working on another game in the genre and also I'm not needed in the genre. Insanity. If that was a stab drag, why did he not use the term dragging? Instead Marox says he re-positioned his strike from the feet to hit the head, which is a normal use case of real time swings, unrelated to the drag exploit.

I repositioned my accel into a drag. Checkmate liberal.

[DuckieMcduck]

引用自 Stouty Coaching：

Duckie - you failed to make any further points about fighting games being dead compared to FPS. That's because you have none.

You'll have to forgive me, I couldn't tell there was a point at all in there when you suggested the FPS scene existing makes the FGC not exist or irrelevant. Or that the pandemic had somehow vaporized the hundreds of dedicated communities that exist for games in the genre, in many different languages.

Actually, I still can't see any point, considering Mordhau branches closer to a fighting game than an FPS. At best it's self-defeating, and at worst it simply sounds like what kids nowadays call a "cope".

In either way, I wish you the best of luck with your garage steamcharts analysis for global performance. I'm sure that will make the developers radically change the game you're obsessed with into more than a funny joke, so you can keep on making some side cash.

[Stouty Coaching]

Fighting games are irrelevant to the topic at hand - dragging. The only reason I find myself having to bring them up at all is because whenever you mention "exploits" you get 100s of FGC people telling you how cool they are - despite their genre fading away in relevance. That's not to say FGC is irrelevant - just much less compared to FPS. If we were to aim at one, we would of course all agree that FPS is preferable (unless you like dead games for some reason)

[Buff Frog]

引用自 Stouty Coaching：

I'll answer both of you drones simultaneously - apparently I'm attacking Mordhau simply because I'm working on another game in the genre and also I'm not needed in the genre. Insanity. If that was a stab drag, why did he not use the term dragging? Instead Marox says he re-positioned his strike from the feet to hit the head, which is a normal use case of real time swings, unrelated to the drag exploit.

Duckie - you failed to make any further points about fighting games being dead compared to FPS. That's because you have none. Tink - I would claim you're on Triternion's pay roll for how desperate you are to defend their dying title, but I know they would never spend a penny on marketing. I would 10-0 the two of you, 2vs1

let them know ♥♥♥♥ theses guys they need to touch grass

[Aicrous]

just parry

[Probably Drunk]

lost my attention when you claimed that its a bug because mord is chiv. if it was, it would be called chiv. your just a crybaby that gets killed by drags. the combat in these style of games would be bland as ♥♥♥♥ without drags. swing, block, swing, block, swing, block. wouldnt be able to land a hit for ♥♥♥♥. it would just be a stamina game.

[Punished Jeremy]

引用自 BHB BigJ：

引用自 Tao：

bro watch the video

The claim comes from a cmw dev. Not a mordhau one.

They changed there minds

[Punished Jeremy]

引用自 ZOOP：

Dragging is fun but it, among other mechanics, totally tombstoned the game since new players don't like getting BTFO'd by something they don't even understand. Seems like slasher games just have a clique of a couple thousand elite players who make it impossible for a self sustaining newbie playerbase to form.

Not everyone who leaves because drags is a new player that doesn’t understand how they work. This is a common excuse. For many it’s not fun to use, and it’s not fun to fight against. I’ve had plenty of fights with people who beat me who I had a good time fighting with. There’s a certain feeling that comes with “exploiting” dragging to its fullest capacity that makes it feel like it shouldn’t be a thing.
It’s cheap

[Punished Jeremy]

引用自 BHB BigJ：

引用自 Stouty Coaching：

All these changes and yet dragging is more broken than ever. It's almost as if you just typed out a paragraph of irrelevance

All this changes serve to make swing manip watchable and not a dizzy mess, disliking drags on how they look is one thing, but claiming they are an exploit after adding all of this is just parroting to push the game ur helping with.

Have yet to present an alternative that would in theory be as satisfying as swing manip too.

Not enough games in the genre. Don’t blame them as it seems like copying the formula is only a recipe for success in the first year because youtubers

[Punished Jeremy]

引用自 BHB BigJ：

引用自 Buzzed Lightyear：

like everything. in order for something to survive it needs to evolve, these whiteknights in here protecting mordhau arn't doing anything besides type angrily at their keyboards... +1 to stouty

Again, if u got a better idea tell me, because so far alternatives are:
Momentum, don't take it from me, play bannerlord and check how "fun" multiplayer is.
Removal of swing manip, you'll get a game like fh or absolver, hopefully the later.
Extreme turncaps, nerfs offense and may lead to frustration as shown by chiv 2 (in this case vertically).
So u tell me coz idk any other way to have swing manip without dragging and still having a fun game.

Maybe changes wouldn’t work in Mordhau the way mordhau is set up

And as I remember reminding you once, mount and blade is a ♥♥♥♥♥♥ example because momentum with no damage, no stagger minimum is very different from momentum with stagger and damage minimum

[Punished Jeremy]

引用自 Tinkuwu：

引用自 Stouty Coaching：

@tinkuwu
You are delusional - no stab drag was demonstrated, marox tried to show a side-stab (something that isn't even in relevant in Mordhau due to the size of the parrybox). You are delusional if you think my video's objectives is to improve Mordhau, I'm well aware the devs have given up. Btw - the changes I did suggest and made their way in were all tremendously successful, like no health regen in ranked. The game is already dead.

"nO sTaB dRaG wAs DeMoNsTrAtEd" https://i.imgur.com/VlPQl8p.png

Your video's objective is to attack Mordhau and force them to change things for the worse. You might as well just made a forum post that reads "Hi, I'm Stouty, I've wasted my time on this game, but I'm working with a developer that is making another melee slasher. I'm about to waste my time slandering a game I wasted so much time on because I'm pathetic and know the game I'm helping has nothing of value to bring to the table."

So tell me, am I in the ball park? Or did I hit a bullseye with that response?

“Change things for the worse”

I’ll believe it when I see it, but nobody ever wants to try and put out a ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ public test server for these things

[Jozsefirst]

引用自 Stouty Coaching：

why people want drag spam is beyond me

It's their clutch, that's why. If you can learn how to abuse drags you can ignore the rest of the combat mechanics and still be successful in team modes especially

[BigJ]

引用自 Jozsefirst：

引用自 Stouty Coaching：

why people want drag spam is beyond me

It's their clutch, that's why. If you can learn how to abuse drags you can ignore the rest of the combat mechanics and still be successful in team modes especially

The main aim of the combat is swing manip, you are delusional to think otherwise, drags are also the only counter to the op chambers.