Chivalry 2 vs Mordhau

[Nyx Assassin]

If mordhau would get Special attacks and Charge attacks for each weapon as chivalry 2 did,
then mordhau would wipe the floor with it, before it was even released.

change my mind

[Lord tOFU]

Originally posted by Anon:

Originally posted by Bahamut:

The potential is there though, they just need to tune things more, which will no doubt happen over time.

I doubt it. Imo they will mostly work on further dlc.

Originally posted by tOFU:

Oh boohoo boyo. it's a discussion thread, you can agree or disagree with my claim.

That's not an opinion, Mordhau is not a simulator you clown.

The devs literally tell you on the Kickstarter in 2019 that the fights were designed with realism in mind, you bottom feeder. Mordhau isn't a medieval Sim, I'm saying it's a medieval combat simulation because the emphasis was on balancing gameplay and realism.

[48 YEARS OLD VIRGIN]

Originally posted by tOFU:

Mordhau has better controls + combat. The best way to put things in perspective is to look at how players reacted when Mordhau first released, all the revolutionary combat changes they added, weapon collision, blocking arrows, throwing weapons, alternative weapon modes, etcetera

I can't say that I feel that excited about how Chivalry 2 has added new elements. Things are far clunkier in Chivalry 2. Animations are far worse, movement is janky, the combat system is a lot messier. But I guess this is what the devs wanted. Torn Banner wanted the game to feel like a drunken brawl, not a medieval combat simulation, which Mordhau is.

They both offer something unique, so I love that players have variety in what they want to play, but lets be honest, when Mordhau first released, they changed the game. I can't say the same about Chivalry 2.

Chiv 2 animations are worse? Clunky? I can tell exactly who's going to attack me, and from where.

Mordhau? Parry button go BRRR.

[Scott Clam]

From what I've played, Mordhau combat is far and away the better of the two, and that's really the most important aspect of a melee game.

All Mordhau needs are some well designed maps and co-op/objective based game modes to really open it up.

[Moccasin Bill]

Mordhau has a much better combat system imo, Chiv 2 caters more towards casual and crossplay. Pros and cons as I see it.

Mordhau | Chivalry 2
Combat - Mordhau has a deeper combat system thats fundamentally better
Customization - Mordhau has much deeper customization
Playerbase - Chivalry 2 will tout a much higher playerbase being new, and more casual friendly to attract crossplay as well
Skill Ceiling - Mordhau has a much higher skill ceiling
Fun Factor - I find Chivalry 2 more fun atm, because it really makes large battles a more relaxing experience as opposed to sweaty domination by Mordhau mauls

Overall: Chivalry 2 if you're looking for fun and relaxed experience with a mediocre skill ceiling - game more focused around the factions with a more enjoyable siege experience

Mordhau: PC only, deep combat system with a very high skill ceiling. Can be daunting and doesn't attract new players because they get absolutely crushed by veterans.

[Lord tOFU]

Originally posted by The Lag of Morefest:

Originally posted by tOFU:

Mordhau has better controls + combat. The best way to put things in perspective is to look at how players reacted when Mordhau first released, all the revolutionary combat changes they added, weapon collision, blocking arrows, throwing weapons, alternative weapon modes, etcetera

I can't say that I feel that excited about how Chivalry 2 has added new elements. Things are far clunkier in Chivalry 2. Animations are far worse, movement is janky, the combat system is a lot messier. But I guess this is what the devs wanted. Torn Banner wanted the game to feel like a drunken brawl, not a medieval combat simulation, which Mordhau is.

They both offer something unique, so I love that players have variety in what they want to play, but lets be honest, when Mordhau first released, they changed the game. I can't say the same about Chivalry 2.

Chiv 2 animations are worse? Clunky? I can tell exactly who's going to attack me, and from where.

Mordhau? Parry button go BRRR.

I actually love that they added blocking that you can hold in Chiv 2. The ability to read feinting in Mordhau takes way too long for the avg player to learn.

[Bresker]

Originally posted by RiSE:

Mordhau has a much better combat system imo, Chiv 2 caters more towards casual and crossplay. Pros and cons as I see it.

Mordhau | Chivalry 2
Combat - Mordhau has a deeper combat system thats fundamentally better
Customization - Mordhau has much deeper customization
Playerbase - Chivalry 2 will tout a much higher playerbase being new, and more casual friendly to attract crossplay as well
Skill Ceiling - Mordhau has a much higher skill ceiling
Fun Factor - I find Chivalry 2 more fun atm, because it really makes large battles a more relaxing experience as opposed to sweaty domination by Mordhau mauls

Overall: Chivalry 2 if you're looking for fun and relaxed experience with a mediocre skill ceiling - game more focused around the factions with a more enjoyable siege experience

Mordhau: PC only, deep combat system with a very high skill ceiling. Can be daunting and doesn't attract new players because they get absolutely crushed by veterans.

Yea that pretty much sums it up, but it is still early to look at Chiv's 2 skill ceiling imo, wait couple of months until peeps start putting some hours in

[Moccasin Bill]

Originally posted by Bresker:

Originally posted by RiSE:

Mordhau has a much better combat system imo, Chiv 2 caters more towards casual and crossplay. Pros and cons as I see it.

Mordhau | Chivalry 2
Combat - Mordhau has a deeper combat system thats fundamentally better
Customization - Mordhau has much deeper customization
Playerbase - Chivalry 2 will tout a much higher playerbase being new, and more casual friendly to attract crossplay as well
Skill Ceiling - Mordhau has a much higher skill ceiling
Fun Factor - I find Chivalry 2 more fun atm, because it really makes large battles a more relaxing experience as opposed to sweaty domination by Mordhau mauls

Overall: Chivalry 2 if you're looking for fun and relaxed experience with a mediocre skill ceiling - game more focused around the factions with a more enjoyable siege experience

Mordhau: PC only, deep combat system with a very high skill ceiling. Can be daunting and doesn't attract new players because they get absolutely crushed by veterans.

Yea that pretty much sums it up, but it is still early to look at Chiv's 2 skill ceiling imo, wait couple of months until peeps start putting some hours in

Oh it's only been a few days OB and I can already tell players are getting much better.

I will say this if you have experience in mordhau you'll have a skill advantage in chiv 2. Some of the principals apply.

Drags, directional, kicks, combos feints and morphs

Though morphs and feints are practically useless in chiv 2 since you can hold parry as opposed to mordhau which you must time parry.

Not a big fan of chiv 2s hold parry to easy riposte which makes you invulnerable for two seconds

[Neorage]

The combat in Mordhau is way better, is more tactical and fluid. And this kind of game is about this, combat. C2 adds some things but the combat is not good enough. You can`t even attack and walk backwards at the same time, the character goes foward when you attack. For me the gameplay is too caothic and clunky.

[Anon]

Originally posted by tOFU:

The devs literally tell you on the Kickstarter in 2019 that the fights were designed with realism in mind, you bottom feeder. Mordhau isn't a medieval Sim, I'm saying it's a medieval combat simulation because the emphasis was on balancing gameplay and realism.

There is 0 realism in Mordhau. Swords do close to no damage to a knight in full armor. And drags do no damage either. The combat is not realistic at all.

[Anon]

Originally posted by ФWоlФ:

this just in
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J2qL7NHua04

classic....

[Langrel]

When I hear simulator I think Arma and BeamNG and Escape from Tarkov etc. Why do you even open that can of worms, calling Mordhau realistic, uh drags, hello! Important part of swing manipulation game, yes. Realism isn't even always positive thing. Mordhau is a combat simulator in the same way Surgeon Simulator is surgery sim. Just stop.

[Langrel]

As for Chiv 2, there is a lot of work that I hope will be done, Tripwire is pretty good at keeping games new and updated, I trust them to keep TB toiling for as long as it takes and beyond. Animations need
to be sharpened, classes balanced to be more distinct, bugs fixed etc. The game feels and plays vastly different from Mordhau or MW, it feels arcade, but also epic, grandiose and raw. Macro over micro.
I don't think these 2 games are really in competition tbh, Chiv2 and Mordhau. I know I keep saying this, but if Mordhau is BF4, then Chivalry 2 is BF1, if you know what I mean and I fcking love BF1 and if this is the path Chiv 2 will continue to improve, it will become a new mainstay for me unquestionably. I also get to spam Chivalry 1 voicelines again, I need that in my life ;p

[Lord tOFU]

Originally posted by Anon:

Originally posted by tOFU:

The devs literally tell you on the Kickstarter in 2019 that the fights were designed with realism in mind, you bottom feeder. Mordhau isn't a medieval Sim, I'm saying it's a medieval combat simulation because the emphasis was on balancing gameplay and realism.

There is 0 realism in Mordhau. Swords do close to no damage to a knight in full armor. And drags do no damage either. The combat is not realistic at all.

Well no ♥♥♥♥♥... Like I said, the game was *designed* to be a mix of realism / gameplay. Whether that sense realism was ruined by sacrificing some realism for gameplay, or specific metas from players with thousands of hours is up to you to decide, but I'm referencing the gameplay designs around what the devs of both games originally envisioned.

Chivalry 2's design philosophy was intentionally moving away from realism, towards more casual, drunken brawl fights and mosh-pits. The whole point of me saying this was that the gameplay for Mordhau is for players who enjoy being part of say fencing matches, as opposed to Chivalry 2's moshpits.

That's why you don't see something as basic as weapon collisions in Chivalry 2.

[Bleezip]

Originally posted by tOFU:

Originally posted by Anon:

There is 0 realism in Mordhau. Swords do close to no damage to a knight in full armor. And drags do no damage either. The combat is not realistic at all.

Well no ♥♥♥♥♥... Like I said, the game was *designed* to be a mix of realism / gameplay. Whether that sense realism was ruined by sacrificing some realism for gameplay, or specific metas from players with thousands of hours is up to you to decide, but I'm referencing the gameplay designs around what the devs of both games originally envisioned.

Chivalry 2's design philosophy was intentionally moving away from realism, towards more casual, drunken brawl fights and mosh-pits. The whole point of me saying this was that the gameplay for Mordhau is for players who enjoy being part of say fencing matches, as opposed to Chivalry 2's moshpits.

That's why you don't see something as basic as weapon collisions in Chivalry 2.

Naked maul swinging foppish men skateboarding on pavise shields.

Body flailing, wiggling attacks that make you look like you're suffering parkinson's. So realistic. :P

[Anaztazioch]

after playing a little of open beta and from a casual point of view i can say for certain:

Pros:
1) parrying and reposte system is far better than in Mordhau. The "i missed parry" is terrible mechanic in open game mode. It should work only in duels.
2) General engagements are far more rewarding, you can feel the carnage instead of endless parrying.
3) parry "parry box" is much smaller than in Mordhau, even with ability to press and hold its easier to get around the parry unlike parry unkillable gods in here.
4) Animations feel more real, its much easier to read movements, when someone is still in draw and when its in release. Mordhau is so clunky.
5) lathency, Mordhau feels like Im playing US servers, even tough it says im 60ms.
6) Natural movements - i didint get the feeling of "lunging" or "knockbacks" as they are in Mordhau. Game feels more of an actual combat not dunken lobster armed bar brawl.
7) Didnt encounter "laugh" spammers
8) Playerbase ? Its beta, its new and dont know if temporal. But from Casuals point of view, if you have a match where there are alot of other casuals I will have fun. Get kills, get killed. But enter a game where over half of people are decent with a high skillcap game that is more frustrating than fun ? But its open Beta, game not released, real playerbase/community is yet to surface
9) Althouth they are too much movie-like, its far better than almost non-existent Mourdhau, where only things you hear is tennis yells on non-faint attacks, laugh spams, and headshot notification...

Cons:
1) Oversimplified combat system. Mordhau even with all the flaws and frustrations is better. I dont understand why they dont let directional swings in Chiv 2
2) Too fast running, i believe the game allows for too fast movement, while its all natural and no sudden lungest and directional wobbles called footwork, Chiv is too much.
3) Respawns, Mordhau has even 3 times shorter respawns ? Really a game that is about murdering shouldnt have long respawns.

Issues like balance is not something i should talk. Mourdhau doesnt have a balance, i dont see it. You can get full heavy armor and still have tier 1 weapon (or tier 2 for some as war axe reach isnt that big). And i havent played enough Chiv 2 to feel the balance. So far Chiv 2 is a fun competition, but overall feels not a threat.

Real Threat to Mordhau is Mordhau and its community so unfriendly to newcommers its a vomit. This week the game cant fill 6 EU servers, 500 people online. A new player comes in and what he sees is 70% of players veterants that block everything and faint/drag his breains until he leaves and refunds.