ANTI CHEAT OR THIS GAME IS DONE FOR

[Gliderian]

Have to say getting sick of all the bots with auto parry and auto kick its ruining this game please get some anti cheat that is viable

[Myta]

Originally posted by Sansha:

Originally posted by Mytalisis:

define what you think is a script for me,because I have friends who use scripts in Call of Duty games while exporting or "ripping" assets that get them banned on their sock accounts,something like a macro isn't something that VAC can pick up because it's a software for your mouse/keyboard not one that changes in-game scripts like aimbot,wallhacks,godmode etc.

He is injecting? He explained the process on Discord... He posted his injector and his custom scripts on the discord for anyone to DL and he has updated them with every patch... He is straight up cheating and its bypassing VAC...

So let me get this straight you're admitting that you have open links to the scripts being used by cheaters currently in the game,that are being updated and arn't making any reports to help clean up the community? The developers and even Crush are active on forums at any point you could have contacted them letting them know this person is cheating and helped but you sat back and did nothing,aside from that I'm going to go ahead and assume using a script injector will get hit by VAC and he will be banned eventually

[Crazy old men]

Originally posted by Sansha:

Originally posted by 63240207f81ae8d1271f7d09b4b7e9ec:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gjwly2-Q6YY

For those who deny that there's cheats

Right there that is what I keep running into on Duel servers and its driving me nuts x_x

I think I ran into some cheaters as well before, I can't be sure since I wasn't memorizing the situations, but I played like a lot of duels and I kinda remember there was some people who was suspiciously good at blocking all kinds of attacks and very bad at performing attacks. Doesn't make sense right? Cuz it's naturally that random player will approximately have the same skill for attacking and blocking.

It's not a disaster so far since these cheats seems to be for extreme block/counterkick/aim reaction (since it's much harder to code an attacking bot properly), but these attack bots are on their way to the game for sure, and that will be the disaster.

[Geronimo426]

Originally posted by Mytalisis:

Originally posted by Sansha:

This is not true... VAC does not detect all these scripts AT ALL. And again I know this as a fact as I have the clan member running scripts right now on my friends list and he has been doing it for a week now and nothing has happened.

define what you think is a script for me,because I have friends who use scripts in Call of Duty games while exporting or "ripping" assets that get them banned on their sock accounts,something like a macro isn't something that VAC can pick up because it's a software for your mouse/keyboard not one that changes in-game scripts like aimbot,wallhacks,godmode etc.

Why cant u just play the game without any bs running in background. Just ZERO integrity and dont care. Pure evil.

[Myta]

Originally posted by Geronimo426:

Originally posted by Mytalisis:

define what you think is a script for me,because I have friends who use scripts in Call of Duty games while exporting or "ripping" assets that get them banned on their sock accounts,something like a macro isn't something that VAC can pick up because it's a software for your mouse/keyboard not one that changes in-game scripts like aimbot,wallhacks,godmode etc.

Why cant u just play the game without any bs running in background. Just ZERO integrity and dont care. Pure evil.

I don't use Macros I just have my attack buttons rebound to my mouse and my movement buttons on my keyboard,if you'd bothered to read my past posts you'd realize that,and if you want to make an argument about how binding my inputs to my mouse instead of keyboard is cheating then I can't take you seriously

[Geronimo426]

Originally posted by Mytalisis:

Originally posted by Geronimo426:

Why cant u just play the game without any bs running in background. Just ZERO integrity and dont care. Pure evil.

I don't use Macros I just have my attack buttons rebound to my mouse and my movement buttons on my keyboard,if you'd bothered to read my past posts you'd realize that,and if you want to make an argument about how binding my inputs to my mouse instead of keyboard is cheating then I can't take you seriously

Sure.

[Myta]

Originally posted by Geronimo426:

Originally posted by Mytalisis:

I don't use Macros I just have my attack buttons rebound to my mouse and my movement buttons on my keyboard,if you'd bothered to read my past posts you'd realize that,and if you want to make an argument about how binding my inputs to my mouse instead of keyboard is cheating then I can't take you seriously

Sure.

Nice response there I bet it took alot of thought,As for the reason I don't use Macros on my mouse or keyboard is because my keyboard and mouse are Razer and I've had issues in the past with Razer Synapse interfering with my Logitech software for my headset I prefer surround sound to macros which I didn't use to begin with because they felt cheap,I'd rather play legit on the off chance I got the opportunity to go pro in a game

[Geronimo426]

Originally posted by Mytalisis:

Originally posted by Geronimo426:

Sure.

Nice response there I bet it took alot of thought,As for the reason I don't use Macros on my mouse or keyboard is because my keyboard and mouse are Razer and I've had issues in the past with Razer Synapse interfering with my Logitech software for my headset I prefer surround sound to macros which I didn't use to begin with because they felt cheap,I'd rather play legit on the off chance I got the opportunity to go pro in a game

Right

[♠KANE †]

1 v 5 is very doable no problem if its a chiv pro imo.

i can do 1 v3 but it depends as well on opponent skill

Maul 52-1 kills is very very doable. 1 hit kills so where is the cheat there?

Also the 1 vs 9 and not running out of stamina it depends what perks he has i guess.


My main question though is this:

In chiv speedhackers were very easy to detect because they desynch and its very easy to spot. even if they only did a little faster like 1.1 It would be out of synch with the animations.

Mordhau has this kinda protection as well right? hard locked swing speeds with animations yeah?

However with regard to things like autobot and auto parry yeah they can be a problem : they were in chiv as well. But the way i see it is there is always the parry cooldown window and thats hard coded right? So as long as you are attacking the enemy at the right time he shouldnt be able to parry? Sorry im still getting used to the timings xD

Im very much enjoying Mordhau - duels are hard though lol lot of pros. (Frontlines is vastly easier)

[Fifty Shades of Hacks]

how about justt git gud?

[Crazy old men]

Originally posted by Mytalisis:

Originally posted by Sansha:

Right there that is what I keep running into on Duel servers and its driving me nuts x_x

assuming they're VAC protected servers they'll be banned in like 24-48 hours VAC will get them it's not a macro it's a software that changes values it's as simple as that,plus there's a votekick feature in the game to kick people like this,they can join back once the server refreshes (during voting cycles) but again you can lock these people out

Really not sure about that. I don't know how anticheat system exactly works, but the thing is that bot really isn't doing something "illegal", the task of the bot is just to look down to the game process files and respond to them somehow, so basically you can't track their activity straight away. Makes sense that after reading that info bot just takes controls away from player and doing what he was coded to, so if bot is good, then it's kinda impossible to detect it because it's "decent" player - reads info (just not from screen) and spits out action ( but not using keyboard ).

For example there's a lot of cheaters in CS GO, VAC can't detect all of the cheats. Evidence is really simple - they created "cheat patrol" which works like this:
When some player got reported by other player, the record of match goes to decent players which will decide if behaviour of the "suspect" seemed to be really fishy. If it was fishy, the record goes forward and then some other people will decide if it was a cheater.
This patrol system is proof that VAC can't handle all of the cheats, the question is: which ones? Well, when you report the guy for cheating, you're able to choose which cheat it was, but the top 2 options we're interested in are wallhack and aimbot.
Why I'm bringing wallhack and aimbot from cs go? Because these cheats are hard to detect for the same reasons I mentioned above - these cheats are "decent", their task is just to read and do some action ( aimbot reads info about enemy positions and then takes controls away from player to take the shot ).

No script will tell you that there was some influence, which means there's stupidly no way to detect these cheats (assuming the cheat is good), but rather you need a script which will detect a non human behaviour, and this is much more complex task. The problem is that all aimbot wallhack cases "might be" just pure luck - player just happend to take the perfect shot while rotating himself 180 degrees in 0.1ms, we know this is cheat but how do you explain it to script? This is also why there's a lot of complaints nowadays (not only in cs go, many games) from people who get banned but who wasn't cheating, since you can't proof that there's a cheat but you trying to detect non-human behaviour, which itself is not a proof, you'll get some innocent people banned.

This is why it's serious issue, you need to create really good strategy when it comes down to the bots.

[Jeck]

Just deal with it. You're not going to see effective anti-cheat for the next 50 years.

[Myta]

Originally posted by 63240207f81ae8d1271f7d09b4b7e9ec:

Originally posted by Mytalisis:

assuming they're VAC protected servers they'll be banned in like 24-48 hours VAC will get them it's not a macro it's a software that changes values it's as simple as that,plus there's a votekick feature in the game to kick people like this,they can join back once the server refreshes (during voting cycles) but again you can lock these people out

you're post while being well read having alot of good point isn't quite the same as here,CS:GO uses hitscan weapons and the most common hack used is aimbot/wallhacks which can be trouble to detect when some pro players have pinpoint accuracy,while looking at this game and the evidence shown in the video which clearly shows a cheater,the 180 autoblocking kicks is something that is not seen anywhere in Mordhau other then through cheating,and since the ability to spectate does exist and we can prove when someone is cheating it should be taken up by the devs to now ban the cheaters when such evidence is presented if the anti-cheat cannot catch it,but as you can see in previous posts there are literally people protecting cheaters and refusing to give up their scripts or names because they are their friends,I do think cheaters could become a more widespread problem if action is not taken soon,but as of right now I feel cheaters play exclusively 1v1 or "duel" servers so they're easy to find and catch but once they hit the larger masses like Frontline and Skirmish it may not be so easy

[Crazy old men]

And by the way, one way to solve it is to trigger cheat in a random ways by something, that cannot trigger player. Phantom enemies for example. Imagine if cheat will block any incoming attack, and you added phantom bots to your server who can't do anything (players don't see them, these bots do 0 damage, players can go through then etc), so they can't trigger the player, but they can trigger the blockbot. If bot will try to block phantom attacks, then this will be the proof that player using cheats. Similiar strategy was used in Lineage 2 for example - there was a bot for picking items (scavenger bot) so devs created phantom objects which can't be picked up by player, but dumb bot was taking phantom objects with him and it triggered ban.

[Crazy old men]

Originally posted by Mytalisis:

Originally posted by 63240207f81ae8d1271f7d09b4b7e9ec:

you're post while being well read having alot of good point isn't quite the same as here,CS:GO uses hitscan weapons and the most common hack used is aimbot/wallhacks which can be trouble to detect when some pro players have pinpoint accuracy,while looking at this game and the evidence shown in the video which clearly shows a cheater,the 180 autoblocking kicks is something that is not seen anywhere in Mordhau other then through cheating,and since the ability to spectate does exist and we can prove when someone is cheating it should be taken up by the devs to now ban the cheaters when such evidence is presented if the anti-cheat cannot catch it,but as you can see in previous posts there are literally people protecting cheaters and refusing to give up their scripts or names because they are their friends,I do think cheaters could become a more widespread problem if action is not taken soon,but as of right now I feel cheaters play exclusively 1v1 or "duel" servers so they're easy to find and catch but once they hit the larger masses like Frontline and Skirmish it may not be so easy

This 180 degrees was easy case, but it's because bot was dumb. While it's hard to detect non human behaviour using script, it's easier to create script that will pretend to be human. I expect that bots in the future will try respond in more natural way - no reaction if enemy is outside from players fov, bot doesn't have to take control from player but can cooperate with him (instead of aimlock player can drag camera away and bot will adapt) and etc. So basically they can become almost undetectable in the future, you'll get players which will block all attacks and act smoothly at the same time. It's hard to judge how much cheaters in games walked clean from the swamp, since there's obviously no data for this. Probably the only way is to trigger bot with something, that can't trigger the human so you can use this as non human behaviour (I wrote example above).

[Myta]

Originally posted by 63240207f81ae8d1271f7d09b4b7e9ec:

Originally posted by Mytalisis:

you're post while being well read having alot of good point isn't quite the same as here,CS:GO uses hitscan weapons and the most common hack used is aimbot/wallhacks which can be trouble to detect when some pro players have pinpoint accuracy,while looking at this game and the evidence shown in the video which clearly shows a cheater,the 180 autoblocking kicks is something that is not seen anywhere in Mordhau other then through cheating,and since the ability to spectate does exist and we can prove when someone is cheating it should be taken up by the devs to now ban the cheaters when such evidence is presented if the anti-cheat cannot catch it,but as you can see in previous posts there are literally people protecting cheaters and refusing to give up their scripts or names because they are their friends,I do think cheaters could become a more widespread problem if action is not taken soon,but as of right now I feel cheaters play exclusively 1v1 or "duel" servers so they're easy to find and catch but once they hit the larger masses like Frontline and Skirmish it may not be so easy

This 180 degrees was easy case, but it's because bot was dumb. While it's hard to detect non human behaviour using script, it's easier to create script that will pretend to be human. I expect that bots in the future will try respond in more natural way - no reaction if enemy is outside from players fov, bot doesn't have to take control from player but can cooperate with him (instead of aimlock player can drag camera away and bot will adapt) and etc. So basically they can become almost undetectable in the future, you'll get players which will block all attacks and act smoothly at the same time. It's hard to judge how much cheaters in games walked clean from the swamp, since there's obviously no data for this. Probably the only way is to trigger bot with something, that can't trigger the human so you can use this as non human behaviour (I wrote example above).

I agree completely as technology continues to advance so will scripts and "Cheats" the way to counter it is to have better anti-cheating measures and to continue to try find ways to catch all the possible cheats as they are made and distributed ,the issue is we don't have developers that care enough about their communities currently,most developers see their players as dollar signs and not a community,that's why most developers halt progress or let a game die after a certain point,because they are no longer making the bulk of their money from it,and even if they are until a massive enough amount of community outcry or competition happens there's no reason for them to act,with that in mind we're looking a purely anti-consumer issue that stems from developers becoming lazier and greedier