Shield+rapier/spear is broken

[Rinky]

Dont answer with "Git gud" styled comments. Im sure that I'm decent player as I end up being in top 3 of ~95% matches. Even with me being not confident in myself at all when I meet an opponent with shield. If you dont want to believe this than just dont bother yourself with reading the rest of this post.

I dont know about other weapons, didnt notice significant difficulties, but shield+rapier/spear is a cancerous loadout. They just press two buttons without any thinking process. Most of the times I check who is on the top of the match list (besides me of course :D) its either a cavalry lover (which is ok) or someone with this exact loadout. No matter what level he has. Yesterday there was a guy with something like 30-5 with spear and shield. Level 1 lads and gents. Smart cybersportsman born to achieve everything in this game? I doubt it. Every time he switched to other loadouts he sucked so hard. In chat he acted like a complete ♥♥♥♥♥♥. This loadout is broken

Im not the guy who complains in every game like "something I got killed with is OP", ok? Im tryhard, I will blame myself in every hit I didnt block. And Im blaming myself that Im still not good enough to ignore this shield issue. I will become better, I will start to deal better with such opponents. But there are dozens of thousands of other players. And most of them are not able or dont want to master their skill, to suffer and to overcome difficulties. I also have several examples of my favourite games dying because of crybabies crying about every weapon and every bit of game mechanics, because of devs listening to them. As this game is rapidly becoming my favourite for now I want it to shine and last as long as possible. In my opinion if we take into account mechanics and balance thats there is only one problem which seems to me to be able to kill this game. If it will not be adressed and fixed, the game will turn into shield+spear fest and then it will die because of "there is only one true meta weapon in this game" conclusion.

Somebody says "shield stuff is good for newcomers, easy to use and it helps them to adapt to game". Easy to use? Definitely yes. Helps to adapt? Not at all. Its just easy mode. Whenever they will try to switch to other weapon they will suck so hard that they will either get bored instantly or go back to shield+spear/rapier and get bored after that too. This loadout requires MUCH less effort to be able to withstand in battles with decent players. Way much effort. I saw how player managed to survive being surrounded by four guys and killed them solo one by one. I always notice such monsters and usually decide to avoid them if they are far better or to fight with them if they are slightly better. I managed to fight with this guy not only when he was with his spear+shield combo but also when he was with other loadout. There was no intelligence behind his moves. Somehow I tended to win him more than lose. He was pathetic. All he could do is just spam attacks and parry. He failed most of times I used drags/accels/chambers like he didnt know a thing about them. Still he was on top.

"Well, you can kick him and attack while he is stunned." No, you can't if you have a two-handed weapon.
"Then just avoid shield guys in battle." That means that the game is completely broken. And how do I have to avoid them in duel mode for example?
Shield+spear/rapier ruins mass fight simply by being in it. You have several enemies in front of you and one of them is shield guy. Not only you have to avoid attacking him because you open yourself to other enemies with this 90% worthless attack, but you still have to block his spamattacks, watch for him etc. What am I supposed to do in order to provide to myself and my team a positive result? The best idea will be to disengage completely, run away, and then get around this guy with a rat move to land one hit hoping that he doesnt have full HP.

"Then whats your solution? How do you want to nerf this."
I dont know, maybe nerf directly shield mechanics or its use of stamina. Maybe buff kicks. I dont think that Im good at giving nerf ideas. Im here just to tell about the problem. More posts will appear, more likely devs will notice this and do something

[Reclaim Her]

I use it and it really isn't literally just get good

[Starzx]

It's true. This is overpowered af. Nothing we can do about it probably wont get nerf, it's legit gamebreaking tho.

[Zothen]

Originally posted by Sir Martinus:

Yesterday there was a guy with something like 30-5 with spear and shield. Level 1 lads and gents. Smart cybersportsman born to achieve everything in this game? I doubt it. Every time he switched to other loadouts he sucked so hard. In chat he acted like a complete ♥♥♥♥♥♥. This loadout is broken

I love this well thought-through and deeply scientific argumentation style!
Instantly made me nod... Not sure about you guys?!

[Edible Eyebrows]

I havent tried rapier and shield, but I have a spear and shield character and its only really good as a team support build, any competent player will defend against every single stab in a 1v1, and the spears swings are so damn slow they arent a threat.

Not saying its a weak build, but its terrible in 1v1 unless your opponent doesnt know how to defend against stabs or if they let the spear user regain stamina

[Filthy Peasant]

Spear and rapier users use the stab (obviously) 95% of the time. Just mirror the move and get a hit in, no need to block or parry. Or simply: git gud ;)

[Rinky]

Originally posted by Filthy Peasant:

Spear and rapier users use the stab (obviously) 95% of the time. Just mirror the move and get a hit in, no need to block or parry. Or simply: git gud ;)

seems like you dont know much about the game. It doesnt work with two-handed weapons. Your speed is too slow allowing them to parry easily. git gud and learn the basics

[Rinky]

Originally posted by Sir Kruber:

I havent tried rapier and shield, but I have a spear and shield character and its only really good as a team support build, any competent player will defend against every single stab in a 1v1, and the spears swings are so damn slow they arent a threat.

Not saying its a weak build, but its terrible in 1v1 unless your opponent doesnt know how to defend against stabs or if they let the spear user regain stamina

with what gear I wonder? spears swings are so damn fast that you cant even press attack if you have something like Zweihander. because he will land a hit before u started release phase

[☢GASMAN☢]

Real annoying and easy to use thats for sure so you get every noob thinking they good just by playing that

[gorba]

Originally posted by Sir Martinus:

Yesterday there was a guy with something like 30-5 with spear and shield. Level 1 lads and gents.

Levels are mostly meaningless and used mainly for cosmetic stuff. A level 1 players has just about as much chance at killing a level 30. It's all about skill. You should know this if you really are on top of the leaderboard.

[gorba]

Originally posted by Starzx:

It's true. This is overpowered af. Nothing we can do about it probably wont get nerf, it's legit gamebreaking tho.

It's not overpowered you ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ idiot. The thrust on a rapier does a ton of damage but it's not a one-hit-kill kind of thing. Using a rapier against someone in full plate takes more than a few hits to bring them down and even more if they're skilled with a shield. So what I do is basically strafe thrust attack. If that lands on the head that's usually 75% damage. then a quick attack or kick and they're dead. It's all about skill. I hate the expression "get gud" but in this case it really is all about that.

[☢GASMAN☢]

Originally posted by Bryanito:

The game is balanced great. People just need to adapt. The only thing broke is a few players egos - hence why they sweat/tryhard and cheese the same meta-game EVERY match. They'll get bored eventually. Even if you look at some of the sweatiest gamers in existence - chiv veterans - they still only number about 1000-1500 max

yea this thrust spam is meta for this game atm and half of those spamming it are probably the same trashcans who ruined chiv with the ballerina dancing

thankfully this game doesnt seem to have game breaking exploits(yet?) and its still lots of fun to play even with the thrust spammers and damn how boring that is ive tried it myself too and without doubt smashing heads 100x times more fun and they just missing out on it by being lame and annoying

[Noble Ten]

Raipers strong point should be stabbing... so why is everyone whining like a baby ? You know they will be stabbing at you.mosty if they want to output the most damage. I have to admit, I get used to fighting other two-handed people, that when a 1 handed sword appears, I underestimate the speed of the strike. Its just cause mostly everyone in 2-handed weapons. like myself using the Pole-axe (Would love the helberd, but its dam expensive at 11 points ><)

[Ironslayer541]

I mean if you use the dodge perk spears and rapiers are pretty much free kills. They just spam thrust and you dodge to the side and smack them down with the exe sword and insta kill them. Or since they spam thrust just chamber them still they run out of stamina its not like they ever bother side attacking.

[gorba]

Originally posted by Ironslayer541:

I mean if you use the dodge perk spears and rapiers are pretty much free kills. They just spam thrust and you dodge to the side and smack them down with the exe sword and insta kill them. Or since they spam thrust just chamber them still they run out of stamina its not like they ever bother side attacking.

As a rapier/shield player, i can tell you when i go up against someone with a hammer 70% of time they win. Those things are lethal af. Even with a shield they still do something like 60% damage. I once saw this hammer player mow down 3 players in seconds.

[Wulfward]

Why is no one just burn them?!