About the bill hook

[METHSTROKE]

Great weapon, love stomping with it but it has issues:
The alt mode is useless, all it does is pull the enemy slightly farther towards you, even though it should probably do more damage to plate armor, also the weapon is very stab-centered, which is cool, but when rider dismounting is a good reason to pick this weapon and it only does so much slash damage, it feels kinda useless

Just my thoughts

Still love it though

[Admiral Obvious]

Actually the alt mode pushes them away if you swing. The alt mode does indeed to more damage to plate armor.

[METHSTROKE]

Originally posted by Admiral Obvious:

Actually the alt mode pushes them away if you swing. The alt mode does indeed to more damage to plate armor.

Apparently not on the damage charts, said charts also say that alt mode has a -170 knockback and I can kinda tell just like I can tell how many more hits it takes to kill T3 with alt

[Admiral Obvious]

Originally posted by Boomer Grug:

Originally posted by Admiral Obvious:

Actually the alt mode pushes them away if you swing. The alt mode does indeed to more damage to plate armor.

Apparently not on the damage charts, said charts also say that alt mode has a -170 knockback and I can kinda tell just like I can tell how many more hits it takes to kill T3 with alt

I've probably got it backwards, being at work and all, but I'm 95% sure the default swing is supposed to pull the enemy.

[METHSTROKE]

Originally posted by Admiral Obvious:

Originally posted by Boomer Grug:

Apparently not on the damage charts, said charts also say that alt mode has a -170 knockback and I can kinda tell just like I can tell how many more hits it takes to kill T3 with alt

I've probably got it backwards, being at work and all, but I'm 95% sure the default swing is supposed to pull the enemy.

It does but apparently so does the alt mode

[Admiral Obvious]

Originally posted by Boomer Grug:

Originally posted by Admiral Obvious:

I've probably got it backwards, being at work and all, but I'm 95% sure the default swing is supposed to pull the enemy.

It does but apparently so does the alt mode

I'm probably mistaken then.

[sparrowbird611]

default pulls, I just assumed the alt did nothing except damage.

[sir Parom von Arse =TurboJugend=]

Originally posted by sparrowbird611:

default pulls, I just assumed the alt did nothing except damage.

default grip: slash = pull, stab = push, alternate grip: slash = push, stab = pull

[Cat®]

Alt mode inverses pull\push properties, it is for flavour and versatility.

[Perrito]

mainly should be used for horses. Just a suggestion.

[Bing_Chilling]

Billhook is one of my main weapons, but i do agree they need to buff the alt mode, it has a huge ap spike and should do more damage to heavy armor and weaker against light armor.

[Ripe]

IMO for 5 points it's already crazy good the way it is. I use the billhook almost exclusively in alt mode because the pulling mechanic on the stab is just amazing when you use it to your advantage:

- Anyone with the really long weapons can have their extra reach become completely useless.

- In group fights you can single out enemies and pull them towards your team where they'll get quickly murdered.

- You can prevent someone running away if they're lightly armoured.

- You can combo a 2nd stab very quickly (having a similar effect to an accel) because they'll be directly in front of you when the 2nd stab is released. Amazes me how often players don't block the 2nd stab without doing any fancy moves to confuse them.

- If you're flanking, you can mess up someone's footwork by pulling them away from a teammate they were attacking. If they have a short weapon this can completely pull them out of attack range.


The reason the pulling mechanic is vastly better on thrusts is because it's much more controlled. There pretty much isn't a single situation where you want multiple enemies pulled towards you simultaneously, whereas pulling one at a time can help pick them off one by one. Also if your goal is to bring a distant enemy closer, logically it makes more sense to have the pulling mechanic on your attacks with the longest reach i.e. thrusts.