Why spears are the best weapon.

[TotallynotaBot]

In real life.
I see alot of people quoting real life to defend spears in game so lets go over why they where effective in real life

They where way cheaper to make than swords (this is the number one factor above all others),took less training to use,was good for formations,good vs cav.....To a point.

None of the above applys to in game.

In real life you could not stab a guy at point blank unless your arms happened to be 20ft long,Stab dragging? Whats that?magic?
Near everything that a spear does in game is nothing less than sorcery and thats why its the most hated weapon in game not because muh 2h.Spear is also a 2h weapon btw.

[Shively]

Gotta' agree here. there's some weird stuff going on with spears in Mordhau, then again half the stuff that works in this game doesn't have a snowball's chance in hell of panning out in real life. It's not a realistic portrayal of any battlefield despite what some might talk it up to be.

I do wish they'd do something about the dragging on all weapons, but yeah, it is particularly egregious on spears. I see the logic in coming in off-angle or redirecting the business end of your thrust to get around an opponent's guard in real life, but you're still going to need to connect with the tip of the spear rather than smack the side of the tip or shaft into someone.

The problem I see is that near everything that happens in this game verges on sorcery, as fun as it is - while there are some game balance tweaks that should probably be made, I think if we start viewing everything in Mordhau under historical lenses we're going to be left sorely disappointed. I mean, this is a game where fully-armored knights can just jump up and attack over an enemy's shield and where "thrusts" from weapons that don't even have points (such as the executioner's sword) are devastatingly effective against full-on breastplates, Clearly some liberties have been taken, it's all a question of how much we're willing to tolerate without fundamentally changing the type of game that this is.

[Falke ✪]

it should be whats its been called , a close to reality reaction and timing game

what it is actually: better exploit wins

[TotallynotaBot]

Originally posted by Shively:

Gotta' agree here. there's some weird stuff going on with spears in Mordhau, then again half the stuff that works in this game doesn't have a snowball's chance in hell of panning out in real life. It's not a realistic portrayal of any battlefield despite what some might talk it up to be.

I do wish they'd do something about the dragging on all weapons, but yeah, it is particularly egregious on spears. I see the logic in coming in off-angle or redirecting the business end of your thrust to get around an opponent's guard in real life, but you're still going to need to connect with the tip of the spear rather than smack the side of the tip or shaft into someone.

The problem I see is that near everything that happens in this game verges on sorcery, as fun as it is - while there are some game balance tweaks that should probably be made, I think if we start viewing everything in Mordhau under historical lenses we're going to be left sorely disappointed. I mean, this is a game where fully-armored knights can just jump up and attack over an enemy's shield and where "thrusts" from weapons that don't even have points (such as the executioner's sword) is devastatingly effective against full-on breastplates, Clearly some liberties have been taken, it's all a question of how much we're willing to tolerate without fundamentally changing the type of game that this is.

Agree with everything you said.

Spears are just the worst culprit of sorcery imo.The rest is tolerable although not ideal for me but the way spears are used you'd have to have super powers to do what you can do in this game.

At least with the rest if you didn't know a thing about medieval combat you might be forgiven in thinking its possable but spears aren't even one bit believable.

[ÐåŕķMệşşịäħ]

Originally posted by Son of Sigmar:

None of the above applys to in game.

Duh. This gave favors tier 3 armor noobs running around with 2 handed swords and bloodlust. Spears were already nerfed since they cried about it. And there was a hidden nerf for the short spear that reduced it's range.

So don't expect spears to be buffed or up to par with real life spears since this game doesn't favor them nor is it realistic...

[Chillum]

Yes, there is no momentum in this game.

Touching the attacking hit box whether at the start of the windup, or during recoil of the hitbox will result in damage.

Turn on your tracers and watch how it works. Its relatively easy to understand, and counter once you get it.

By the way, spear is not the worst offender. Zwei, greatsword and halberd all have incredibly fast stabs due to the length instantly completing the thrust. They can also drag their thrusts on the recoil, same as spear. And have decent swings to boot.

This game is, most likely always will be, and the same as its predecessor an arcade game first and foremost. It is not a sim. It is not RL. You want mordhau in RL? Go play IMCF.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wKKSI1OPGa4

Until then, learn the gameplay, which does include damage on recoiling spears. (which results in a half moon attack pattern that will reach around shields)

[KingDaddy]

Originally posted by Chillum:

Yes, there is no momentum in this game.

Touching the attacking hit box whether at the start of the windup, or during recoil of the hitbox will result in damage.

Turn on your tracers and watch how it works. Its relatively easy to understand, and counter once you get it.

By the way, spear is not the worst offender. Zwei, greatsword and halberd all have incredibly fast stabs due to the length instantly completing the thrust. They can also drag their thrusts on the recoil, same as spear. And have decent swings to boot.

This game is, most likely always will be, and the same as its predecessor an arcade game first and foremost. It is not a sim. It is not RL. You want mordhau in RL? Go play IMCF.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wKKSI1OPGa4

Until then, learn the gameplay, which does include damage on recoiling spears. (which results in a half moon attack pattern that will reach around shields)

This is cheesy combat of a bunch of old farts mainly though. Their weapons are all blunted which favors a heavier weapon so you can actually effect your target and longer weapons with big centrifugal force swings to actually rattle your opponent, the shield is used to great effect in those fights though, use it like a punch extension and you can see it rattling them. Irl it would be as easy as being the bigger guy and tossing them down to execute them.

[Nijo]

It should cost way more stamina to thrust a spear and have a larger minimum distance at which you can stab

[Magma]

You have a problem with spears as a whole but crap like slow dragging a weapon to such a slow speed that it's literally like you gently placed your weapon on someones shoulder is fine?

There are much worse things in this game.

[TotallynotaBot]

Originally posted by Magma:

You have a problem with spears as a whole but crap like slow dragging a weapon to such a slow speed that it's literally like you gently placed your weapon on someones shoulder is fine?

There are much worse things in this game.

I never said that was fine.I think momentum should be in this game actually.

[ImHelping]

In real life, I could cut the head off a man who isn't even in my field of vision with a bardiche better than I could kill them with a thrust I gotta look in their general direction for.

In mordhau, my swings are so good that I can kill people out of my field of vision even in 3rd person camera with a greatsword.

Every time people cry about spears. They are crying about weapons that have to at least be looking at you to kill you.

"Mommy! mommy! The thrust drags are not realistic!"
*Hammers M1 with my eyes closed* "Wheeeee! Realistic decapitation techniques are great!"

I've got a dust collecting longspear guy I haven't used since week 1 of launch, because honestly big choppy is so much more practical. And I can just pull out a backup longsword or arming sword if I'm not feeling confident in dealing with speeds with my big swings.

Oh man. The amount of times I've murdered spear users without even realizing they existed thanks to big swings, is probably only matched by how often I pull out a little baby shortsword and tickle them to death with little slashes and thrusts.

If my casual ass is making a mockery of the average "Thrust spammer", I can only imagine what's going oh so wrong with people who should by all rights be better at this game than me,

Maybe it's a mentality thing? I'm busy laughing at any idiot trying to do 180 swings with a maul, but I see people with 40+ kills constantly running past me to fall for it. Are most of the "Pro" players just 100% reliant on muscle memory or somethitng?

That's the usual reason you split the real monsters from the children playing soldier between "Which one cries over the feint button?" after all. Someone using their brain won't fall for feints (hell, blanking out lets you "counter" feints). But someone who only uses rote reflex to press their button at X seconds after Y animation will probably fall for it like a pre-programmed robot.

[Lu2]

first hit flinch has this side effect .range and speed plays big role.
any competent spear user will not atack against riposte hyperarmor.
you must trick oponent or try to facehug them with fast weapons .like axe or something,make them panic etc

[TotallynotaBot]

Originally posted by ImHelping:

In real life, I could cut the head off a man who isn't even in my field of vision with a bardiche better than I could kill them with a thrust I gotta look in their general direction for.

In mordhau, my swings are so good that I can kill people out of my field of vision even in 3rd person camera with a greatsword.

Every time people cry about spears. They are crying about weapons that have to at least be looking at you to kill you.

"Mommy! mommy! The thrust drags are not realistic!"
*Hammers M1 with my eyes closed* "Wheeeee! Realistic decapitation techniques are great!"

We get it you don't like swords being able to swing and only like spears.

Until we can get monitors (and computers that could run that) that can cover 114 degrees of vision this will always be thing.

Originally posted by Lu2:

first hit flinch has this side effect .range and speed plays big role.
any competent spear user will not atack against riposte hyperarmor.
you must trick oponent or try to facehug them with fast weapons .like axe or something,make them panic etc

Facehugging a spear makes him stronger since he can stab you at point blank and you will be at a MORE disadvantage since the animation is wonky and you cant see it coming at all that way.
What you describe is how it should be and that should be an effective counter but with the broken way spears work it is not.

[ImHelping]

Originally posted by Son of Sigmar:

Originally posted by ImHelping:

In real life, I could cut the head off a man who isn't even in my field of vision with a bardiche better than I could kill them with a thrust I gotta look in their general direction for.

In mordhau, my swings are so good that I can kill people out of my field of vision even in 3rd person camera with a greatsword.

Every time people cry about spears. They are crying about weapons that have to at least be looking at you to kill you.

"Mommy! mommy! The thrust drags are not realistic!"
*Hammers M1 with my eyes closed* "Wheeeee! Realistic decapitation techniques are great!"

We get it you don't like swords being able to swing and only like spears.

Until we can get monitors (and computers that could run that) that can cover 114 degrees of vision this will always be thing.

Excuse me.

I ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ LOVE my hilarious big swing decapitations. I love it so much I even go for it (and get it) with the relatiivly weak swings on weapons like the Estoc.

I'm just honest about the effort vs end results, for my swing attacks vs my thrusts (and overhands).

One I can close my eyes and still hit someone in the head. The others, I have to actually even try to aim.

Hell, people are so ready to only cry over "thrusting". That I can brag about how the arming sword does more thrust damage vs armor than the rapier. The the people I killed an arming sword. Even with thrust drag instead of swing drag.

They will still scream into chat "Nuh uh, rapier is worse!" or continue on how "Arming sword is weak! you're crazy!"

People like you are a big reason why I can get away with that sort of thing.

Because they are oh, so desperate to cultivate a wounded victim narrative. That I can rack up five estoc thrust kills in 20 seconds, brag about "I love how the estoc only needs two hits to kill you through chainmail", and people will line up to defend the estoc and get back to crying about short spears.

Because the estoc is sorta kinda a slashing weapon, so it gets a pass compared to the mean old "thrust spam" weapons.

Thrust drags are cancer! Unless I do it with an estoc, then it's okay. Guess this means "I just hate swords" or "I'm just a spear main"

wait a minute.

Since when is a bardiche a spear? Or a greatsword a spear?

"Hello, I haven't even bothered with a longspear since launch. It's just not worth it"
"We get it! you hate swords and love spears!"

Are you well? Are you in need of medical assistance? You don't seem right in the head if you think swords are spears.

I mean, one of the last times I used a SHORT spear, I even had a LONG spear user cry about "Thrust spams", when I used swings to kill them. No feints, just regular swings they walked into because everyone expects them to be feints or morphs. what a world.

[Gatekeeper]

Did you ever watch an actual spear sparring video ? Yes you CAN stab at point blank range with a spear ! In real life, people don't just stand straight, moving and holding their weapons like robots ; in less than a second, you can pull back your back leg, torso, and arms to shorten your weapon almost 2 meters, by gripping it very near the head. It's not just an idiot Guards' weapon you know !?!

[Rivers]

You're just plain dead wrong, i have trained with Fior Di battaglia into the Longsword and I.33.
The spear is simply a vastly superior weapon even without master craftsmanship, you cannot defend against one with any reliability.
The weapons Reach is the key feature along with easy point control, easy to shift balance point etc.