So you did Lost in the Deep?

[Coo Coo Pigeon]

So you start off with something wonkey:
12 slots, times 25 area's...
Enjoy clicking through 50 area's! (or AFK like I did)


And then the moment you think you're done with it:
https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=2618849798
Nah mate, your champions are lost in the deep!


https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=2618865410
Really?

[VallejoM]

That's a long, long standing graphical glitch with that variant. I recall having that exact same bleed over to the next adventure at least a couple of years ago. Sometimes get a similar thing with Fleetswake associated event variants/or time gates for those champions as well...the Kraken tentacles hold over and appear in the following adventure...last time I saw it I had the Kraken waving around its arms behind the first background layer of trees in the subsequent Mad Wizard run. As usual, a restart fixes it...but there really should be more permanent fixes for those sorts of things by now.

[Coo Coo Pigeon]

Restart fixes it indeed, but still.
It's just well...
Yea

[Nero Chaos]

Never ever tried this variant for any Patron.
It looks like there's no point to strat if you have no enough favor to finish it purely on click damage...

[VallejoM]

Originally posted by Nero Chaos:

Never ever tried this variant for any Patron.
It looks like there's no point to strat if you have no enough favor to finish it purely on click damage...

Depends when you encounter or attempt it. Players have much, much more power at their disposal now then ever before and thus, obviously, if you come to those variants that have been in the game for a long time with a significant portion of that power then they're not going to be all that difficult at all.

[Nero Chaos]

For example?..
the variant suppose you'll get to final areas with very few champs or even with none (325 areas means you'll lose all the slots on 300th)

[Coo Coo Pigeon]

It is a lot easier now than it was.
With the current set-up I think you can have two champion slots open (same amount of fieldable as story of two champion in avernus has)

These arn't the easiest of variants (Just like the 4-chicken mistake many people make early on) but they aren't too hard when you're far enough in-game either.

Tip for Patron Variants tho:
Do the highest ones you can meet requirements for, to gain income and boost you perks as fast as you can. (Easier ones have a low payout)

[VallejoM]

Originally posted by Nero Chaos:

For example?..
the variant suppose you'll get to final areas with very few champs or even with none (325 areas means you'll lose all the slots on 300th)

Yes, but the strategy for all those variants that remove slots is to go back to area 1 and save a full formation without familiars that is capable of setting as high a BUD as possible (since you regain access to all slots if you go back) THEN, you have another saved formation, this time WITH familiars built for the furthest point you can currently reach...the actual champions you use is immaterial since it is click damage you will be killing with...

You then set a high BUD on area 1...pop a fire breath potion and turn auto progress back on...as you jump forward you load in the second formation and ride the BUD spike killing everything with click damage until the BUD declines...at which point you go back and spike it again...repeat until the end.

Whether you lose one slot or all of them, THAT is the way to beat all those variants that take away slots....as long as you can build a formation on area 1 that can generate sufficient damage then you will beat it. Now, is that a great design or idea? maybe not....but that's a whole other kettle of fish.

[Coo Coo Pigeon]

@VallejoM May I add:
Some have armor-segemented bosses tho, so BUD is your best friend as you stated but firebreath, only most of the time.

[Nero Chaos]

I'm just too lazy to click arrows every time to area 1 from 2xx or 3xx.
Neither LMB, nor hotkeys work for holding (like champs leveling, for example)

[Hecate]

Shift+left click on left arrow on area panel ;)

[Coo Coo Pigeon]

Originally posted by Hecate:

Shift+left click on left arrow on area panel ;)

Hold shift while you click on the left arrow next to your area numbers to go to first/last

Also: if you're looking for hotkey's you'd expect, ask on the forum (or discord). There's always someone who knows the hotkey (if it's there)

[Nero Chaos]

Well, thanks guys!
But still... it's kinda stupid to add ingame hotkeys tip and not to add ALL the hotkeys there...

[Coo Coo Pigeon]

I think its even under half (some also are developer hotkeys, so we usually have no business using them)

[Nero Chaos]

Is there else some usable non mentioned combinations? Or a full list?

[Coo Coo Pigeon]

CTRL + L + L + L is quite useful
Left click + 5 circles with your mouse cursor is handy sometimes if you're troubleshooting

There's prolly a full list somewhere, but since they are open for change the list might be wrong for some.