Show all champions with swap button

[Thunderchief]

Currently the swap button only shows available champions. You could show unavailable champions in black& white so that new players like myself can see what's possible to collect in each slot.
Currently I would have to go do research on a website to find out which character goes in which slot.

[Noeh23]

I understand the convenience you are looking for, however you also need to be aware of "analysis paralysis" from getting too much info at one time + later as the game grows a new player you just a huge list of greyed out champions.

I think the intention of the game is not to give you all the champ info right away and let you explore. I actually liked the experience of not knowing what will come next when I was new.

I got the "ooooo, what does this button do" every time I unlocked a champion.

But sure, adding the slot info somewhere (not all the champion details) would be useful (e.g. if you are trying to fill in slots to get a core). Maybe adding the slot info in the time gates champ selection would be good (not sure, but I don't think it's there).

[OldGamer]

Personally, I think it's better for a player to go out and search for these kind of things. It makes them more involved in the game and community.

[Thunderchief]

Why does it say "Unlocked" on characters if there is never going to be a "Locked" ?

I didn't get analysis paralysis from seeing all the greyed-out familiars or all the available champions in the shop. However a new player might see only the first 10 characters and feel this game is too basic and quit. Maybe that is why I stopped playing almost immediately 3 years ago. I can't remember.

[Noeh23]

Originally posted by Thunderchief:

Why does it say "Unlocked" on characters if there is never going to be a "Locked" ?

I didn't get analysis paralysis from seeing all the greyed-out familiars or all the available champions in the shop. However a new player might see only the first 10 characters and feel this game is too basic and quit. Maybe that is why I stopped playing almost immediately 3 years ago. I can't remember.

:-) I think the Unlocked is meant to symbolise unlocking for that adventure :-) I remember this from when I was new. I was like ...ooooo I unlocked a new slot/hero cause I finally earned enough gold.

That fact that you don't get analysis paralysis is kind of irrelevant. I rarely suffer from it too (unless I try to play a football manager game) but that does not mean it's not there for others. It would be interesting to know how many players stop playing for thinking the game does not have enough content vs people who find it overwhelming. In the end, you cannot satisfy all.

Did you pay attention to the tutorial? I am quite sure they explain swapping and at least imply there will be bunch of new heroes available somewhere.

I think mentioning the slot in the time gate hero selection would be good (if it's not there) otherwise I personally am pretty OK with getting detailed hero info from outside the game.
But I am not trying to take away your idea. That's why this forum is here. Just providing a second opinion!

[Coo Coo Pigeon]

Waaait, the game doesnt show champions you do not own any more?
Or... did it ever... I thought it did... not sure... what do you think... no I think it did... you think it did.... yes, we think it did.... stop talking to yourself... ohw okay... you too... ok ...

I thought non-owned champions used to be grayed out.... am I mistaken here?

[Noeh23]

Originally posted by Coo Coo Pigeon:

Waaait, the game doesnt show champions you do not own any more?
Or... did it ever... I thought it did... not sure... what do you think... no I think it did... you think it did.... yes, we think it did.... stop talking to yourself... ohw okay... you too... ok ...

I thought non-owned champions used to be grayed out.... am I mistaken here?

we can try next event :-) ... now that you mention it, it does kind of ring a bell. I am too lazy to open my EPIC version to check how it looks :-). In any case I am sure you don't get any details about the champ in-game (like their skills etc...) until you actually start using them.

[Thunderchief]

Yeah that's strange. You can hover over all their gear but hovering over their face doesn't do anything until you swap them in.

[OldGamer]

Originally posted by Coo Coo Pigeon:

Waaait, the game doesnt show champions you do not own any more?
Or... did it ever... I thought it did... not sure... what do you think... no I think it did... you think it did.... yes, we think it did.... stop talking to yourself... ohw okay... you too... ok ...

I thought non-owned champions used to be grayed out.... am I mistaken here?

They may have used to but since I began last year playing they have not had silhouettes of champions.

Also kind of agree with it not being there, as can you imagine when we get to 10 champs per slot?

They'll probably need a UI change or some creative thinking to make that work and not become an eyesore.

[InsaneMystic]

Originally posted by OldGamer:

Originally posted by Coo Coo Pigeon:

Waaait, the game doesnt show champions you do not own any more?
Or... did it ever... I thought it did... not sure... what do you think... no I think it did... you think it did.... yes, we think it did.... stop talking to yourself... ohw okay... you too... ok ...

I thought non-owned champions used to be grayed out.... am I mistaken here?

They may have used to but since I began last year playing they have not had silhouettes of champions.

Also kind of agree with it not being there, as can you imagine when we get to 10 champs per slot?

They'll probably need a UI change or some creative thinking to make that work and not become an eyesore.

Originally posted by Noeh23:

I understand the convenience you are looking for, however you also need to be aware of "analysis paralysis" from getting too much info at one time + later as the game grows a new player you just a huge list of greyed out champions.

I think the intention of the game is not to give you all the champ info right away and let you explore. I actually liked the experience of not knowing what will come next when I was new.

I got the "ooooo, what does this button do" every time I unlocked a champion.

But sure, adding the slot info somewhere (not all the champion details) would be useful (e.g. if you are trying to fill in slots to get a core). Maybe adding the slot info in the time gates champ selection would be good (not sure, but I don't think it's there).

Suggested solution (that I think shouldn't be too hard to implement technically)...

A "show event Champions that are still locked" setting, checked No by default.

[OldGamer]

I guess you could have silhouettes of the champions you do not own in your collection, whilst the slot can number the champions left to get or show how many are in the slot.

So say:
Slot 1 - 3/8
Slot 2 - 5/7 etc

Underneath the arrows to swap? Maybe.

[Thunderchief]

I'd like it if this was maybe a toggle in the settings? As a new player it is really frustrating figuring out what timegates I want to get first so I can split the party. This could easily be shown in the game but instead I now have to go and type up a list of my own. Characters organised by slot.

[OldGamer]

Originally posted by Thunderchief:

I'd like it if this was maybe a toggle in the settings? As a new player it is really frustrating figuring out what timegates I want to get first so I can split the party. This could easily be shown in the game but instead I now have to go and type up a list of my own. Characters organised by slot.

Do they show you the champions in the timegate?
I think it has their slot number on their card somewhere. If not Kleho[idle.kleho.ru] it :)

[Coo Coo Pigeon]

Originally posted by Thunderchief:

I'd like it if this was maybe a toggle in the settings? As a new player it is really frustrating figuring out what timegates I want to get first so I can split the party. This could easily be shown in the game but instead I now have to go and type up a list of my own. Characters organised by slot.

You can use https://idle.kleho.ru/list for the time being.
I understand Russian websites don't really shine trust to everyone, but I hear nearly everyone using it and nobody complaining thus far.

[Thunderchief]

Thanks for the link. I wish I had seen it yesterday. In frustration I went and created an excel spreadsheet that looks almost identical.

[Coo Coo Pigeon]

Keep the link, saves you updating your excel sheet