New gold buying system

[Flash]

Hi guys,

has anybody yet looked into whether buying gold chests and opening them is more efficient than using that new instant opening system? What I totally do not like is the fact, that your chests are also turned into alchemy mats. I have so many alchemy mats by now, that I will never ever run out, unless I craft a trillion potions.

[nth_henchman]

There was some discussion and breakdown on the notary system in ICFF's Reddit.
https://www.reddit.com/r/idlechampions/comments/1kde7u9/is_the_notary_system_for_chests_worth_it/
My impression was that unless you were trying to save the time involved in opening 100k chests at once, the results will trend lower than the old standard. Especially when it comes to having to make potions you'd get randomly.

[Flash]

Alright thanks. Back to manually opening them :)

[Derpykat5]

There were some value tweaks, but it really depends on what you're looking for.

You lose about 0.1% of your total iLevel yield (BSC specifically), you get tokens directly instead of Bounty contracts (so you can't stockpile for anything beyond the end of the next event), and you lose a substantial portion of Reagents from getting the Reagents directly instead of getting potions.

[nth_henchman]

You also lose the RNG potential to get larger scrolls or potions, or an occasional duplicate shiny. Unless you're at a level where those are not going to be noticed, it's better IMO to open the chests.

[Derpykat5]

Originally posted by nth_henchman:

You also lose the RNG potential to get larger scrolls or potions, or an occasional duplicate shiny. Unless you're at a level where those are not going to be noticed, it's better IMO to open the chests.

You also lose the RNG potential to get smaller ones. It's a running average, which you'll inevitably end up at with larger purchases. Shinies for evergreens are also hardly worth anything beyond the ult cooldown refunds.

But yeah, it's generally better to open the chests unless you're at the point where using the Notary actually saves you a decent amount of time.

[Hecate]

The thing is mainly for scripters, for those players who have to open 100k or more of chests at a time and hundred of thousands of bounty contracts. That taken litterraly half an hour or even more (and/or using external macro tools to open them in a bunch when you were afk). For non-scripters, opening them manually is probably better with not so much time loss.

[Recondite]

Just chiming in with some real world math updates now that some more time and a few more rounds of a few hundred thousand chests have passed:

Opening chests manually (in optimal batch sizes) is still vastly better on all counts.

Manual opening yields roughly 15% more event tokens from bounty contracts per chest, and 2-3% more blacksmith contract ilvls per chest. This is taking time to open into account, too, and is based on using the least-efficient "simple" methods such as timed mouse click macros. *Note: this is also using the pre-notary optimal gold chest batch size of 14/15 chests per batch for maximum event token yield - however, it's clear that the drop rates of contracts and potions have been slightly adjusted (lowered and increased, respectively) since the notary system went live, so it's possible that there may be a different optimal batch size target now. I haven't run that test yet.

The biggest reason not to use notary for chests, though, is still that those Reagents are all 99% waste. Even if it was a wash on contract yields, virtually nobody should ever buy chests in the notary. The whole notary system is just a push to incentivize whaling on legendary potions.

[ProstoNeTotChelovek]

by manually you mean... one by one?

[Captain_Narol]

Originally posted by ProstoNeTotChelovek:

by manually you mean... one by one?

No he means with his hands, taking the chests off the screen to open them and then throwing them back in the dustbin once opened. Long process...

[nth_henchman]

Originally posted by ProstoNeTotChelovek:

by manually you mean... one by one?

One by one, you'd spend so much time watching that stupid animation.
Optimal batch size of 14-15 chests at a time was mentioned, but that was the first I'd heard of that, or using mouse click macros.
I don't see anything wrong with opening a few hundred at a time, unless you really want to collect data to min-max your yield.