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dakcyn Nov 2, 2024 @ 5:41am
What does "strategic stride" Briv Feat does?
Hi, I'm not very familiarize with Briv, and I don`t understand what does this Feat does? Can you explain to me? What does it cap?
Originally posted by Hecate:
120k with golden item on gear #4 (127626 to be precise)

Without Golden, it's 170251 with Shiny and 255501 with normal epic gear.

To understand the value of Unnatural Haste, the number of jump is (1+100%)^([jumps]-1) that can be simplified into 2^(j-1), so:

100% means 1 jump (2^0)
200% means 2 jumps (2^1)
400% means 3 jumps (2^2)
800% means 4 jumps (2^3) — Wasting Haste feat
1600% means 5 jumps (2^4)
3200% means 6 jumps (2^5)
6400% means 7 jumps (2^6)
12800% means 8 jumps (2^7)
25600% means 9 jumps (2^8) — Strategic Stride feat

The point to cap Briv at 4 jumps or 9 jumps is, in free plays, you'll never hit a boss as long as you have enough stacks to jump and so a gem farm will be way more efficient, so the existence of the feats caping the stacks, as 4j is way way better than 95% 4j and 5% 5j, let's say.
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kab_reg Nov 2, 2024 @ 5:47am 
His jump length. You don't need it until you bring his ilvl to ~120k.
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Hecate Nov 2, 2024 @ 6:05am 
120k with golden item on gear #4 (127626 to be precise)

Without Golden, it's 170251 with Shiny and 255501 with normal epic gear.

To understand the value of Unnatural Haste, the number of jump is (1+100%)^([jumps]-1) that can be simplified into 2^(j-1), so:

100% means 1 jump (2^0)
200% means 2 jumps (2^1)
400% means 3 jumps (2^2)
800% means 4 jumps (2^3) — Wasting Haste feat
1600% means 5 jumps (2^4)
3200% means 6 jumps (2^5)
6400% means 7 jumps (2^6)
12800% means 8 jumps (2^7)
25600% means 9 jumps (2^8) — Strategic Stride feat

The point to cap Briv at 4 jumps or 9 jumps is, in free plays, you'll never hit a boss as long as you have enough stacks to jump and so a gem farm will be way more efficient, so the existence of the feats caping the stacks, as 4j is way way better than 95% 4j and 5% 5j, let's say.
Last edited by Hecate; Nov 2, 2024 @ 6:07am
dakcyn Nov 2, 2024 @ 7:02am 
Thanks! I'm not sure how to calculate [jumps] variable in your equation, but at my level, i'm far from being able to take any advantage of this feat.
Hecate Nov 2, 2024 @ 8:02am 
The number of jumps is provided in unnatural haste description (maybe only if you have activate advanced effect description in settings/interface). But you can get it from your gear too anyway.

The basic formula to convert gear bonus into unnatural haste bonus (used by two feats) is: (100% + [gear bonus item #4]) × 25%
25% being the base unnatural haste chance of jump with no gear.

That means you need 3100% gear bonus on item #4 to use Wasting Haste feat and 102300% gear bonus to use Strategic Stride feat.

You can get your actual jump chances of your higher and lower jump from gear albeit the formula is way more complicated to use...
You have first to calculate if you're in a perfect jump ilvl, which means:
INT(log((1+[gear])×0.25;2)+1) − log((1+[gear])×0.25;2)+1 = 0

If it's the case, you've 100% chance to jump: log((1+[gear])×0.25;2)+1 areas

If it's not the case, then, you can calculate it that way:
Your min number of jumps can be determinated through: y = INT(log((1+[gear])×0.25;2)+1)
And your chance of max jumps can be determined from that as:
0.01+0.99×((((1+[gear])×0.25)−2^(y−1))/2^(y−1))
Max number of jumps being min number of jumps +1 of course.

Sorry, it's way more complicated to use as I said. You've absolutely no need to know that, but it's how the game calculate jump chances from gear (Or at least how my calculations always gave me same chances as the client for my Briv, and so I suppose it's the formula used).
Last edited by Hecate; Nov 2, 2024 @ 8:19am
LostSoul Nov 2, 2024 @ 12:40pm 
To get an idea of how many item levels it takes for the 9j feat to be a consideration, Briv will need roughly 900k item levels added to his gear, and that's if you've got an epic-shiny slot 4. 50% higher if it's not shiny. 50% higher still if it's just rare. But hey! 50% fewer if it's golden!

Anyways, unless you're Briv scripting 24/7/365, you won't see those kinds of numbers in a long, long long time (we're talking years here). And honestly, even then, if you're only just starting to gear up Briv, you'll probably find better ways to spend your smithy contracts once he can make use of his 4j feat, Wasting Heat. After all, going from a 4j to a 9j feat only doubles your gem earn rate. Not nothing, but there are lots of other champions you could be investing that ~850k additional item levels into instead of pushing on to 9j.

And, it should be noted, Briv is a god-awful support champion, so once you've hit 4j, all the item levels you invest into Briv will be of no value until you hit the 9j mark.

Or you could be like a lot of us and just step back from Briv entirely, and accept the gem earn rates of less fickle, slower gem farming teams. Maybe one day they'll add someone to compete with Briv who is much less of a hassle to deal with....
dakcyn Nov 2, 2024 @ 1:26pm 
Originally posted by Hecate:
The number of jumps is provided in unnatural haste description (maybe only if you have activate advanced effect description in settings/interface). But you can get it from your gear too anyway.

The basic formula to convert gear bonus into unnatural haste bonus (used by two feats) is: (100% + [gear bonus item #4]) × 25%
25% being the base unnatural haste chance of jump with no gear.

That means you need 3100% gear bonus on item #4 to use Wasting Haste feat and 102300% gear bonus to use Strategic Stride feat.

You can get your actual jump chances of your higher and lower jump from gear albeit the formula is way more complicated to use...
You have first to calculate if you're in a perfect jump ilvl, which means:
INT(log((1+[gear])×0.25;2)+1) − log((1+[gear])×0.25;2)+1 = 0

If it's the case, you've 100% chance to jump: log((1+[gear])×0.25;2)+1 areas

If it's not the case, then, you can calculate it that way:
Your min number of jumps can be determinated through: y = INT(log((1+[gear])×0.25;2)+1)
And your chance of max jumps can be determined from that as:
0.01+0.99×((((1+[gear])×0.25)−2^(y−1))/2^(y−1))
Max number of jumps being min number of jumps +1 of course.

Sorry, it's way more complicated to use as I said. You've absolutely no need to know that, but it's how the game calculate jump chances from gear (Or at least how my calculations always gave me same chances as the client for my Briv, and so I suppose it's the formula used).

Thanks, very complete and now I understand how it works.
kab_reg Nov 2, 2024 @ 1:58pm 
Originally posted by LostSoul:
All the item levels you invest into Briv will be of no value until you hit the 9j mark.
That's not completely true. Having an excellent healer and nearly unkillable tank is useful in many situations. If you need more than one such tank in the front line, pair him with bear Tyril. However, keep in mind that they both suck as buffers.
LostSoul Nov 2, 2024 @ 2:18pm 
Originally posted by kab_reg:
Originally posted by LostSoul:
All the item levels you invest into Briv will be of no value until you hit the 9j mark.
That's not completely true. Having an excellent healer and nearly unkillable tank is useful in many situations. If you need more than one such tank in the front line, pair him with bear Tyril. However, keep in mind that they both suck as buffers.

That's kind of a wash, frankly. Except for the healing. Briv's healing capabilities *are* unique, and they do scale with his health (if he's your primary tank), so that's not nothing. But, once again, going from 4j to 9j is only going to increase his max health by roughly e1.4. Not exactly a game changing improvement.
kab_reg Nov 2, 2024 @ 3:07pm 
Yeah, even 4j Briv can tank enemies all the way to z1950 (with potions).
Hecate Nov 5, 2024 @ 6:36am 
You still gain a good amount of gems per hour at each step for gem farm, 6j, 7j and 8j. ie. from 7j to 8j, I get from ~135k/h to ~190k/h.

What is true is, until you hit 9j, you take little benefits from those ilvl from gems, but you can take way much from bounty contracts on the event, that said, you'll get from the thousands more gold chests you will buy.
Last edited by Hecate; Nov 5, 2024 @ 7:27am
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