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TAKE A DUMP May 28, 2024 @ 9:42am
Champion power
At what point is ilvl "good enough" to complete MOST adventures/variants/Trials etc,etc? I ask this because i have witnessed the significance of Legendary level advancement. And i want to invest more into other champions i want to use that have other uses such as alternatives to restrictions. Birdsong, Zorbu, Cattie-Brie, Valentine and a few others have roughly 1500+ levels on them. Artemis is 6K+. Legendaries as of now are lvl 10 for Artemis and 5-7 for the rest of my line-up. The numbers i saw on Legendary lvls' looked good. I'm not exactly sure what to do. Just focus on Legendary improvement and invest BS contracts on lower lvl champions?
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Originally posted by Hecate:
Originally posted by JC:
Originally posted by Draxus Maximus:
Reduced increases like diminishing returns?

Yes, unless that has changed. I was either watching something, or some posts about how after 500 or 550 it was less. I guess i assumed it was a lot less, but this doesn't seam like it's as much less as i thought.

Equipment power follows a curve function, so the "cap" is always an arbitrary value ; but their will be very little difference between 499 and 500 or 500 and 501, the gap is between let say 251 and 501.

Default formula is: [gear base]×(1+([ilvl]-1)×0.004)) as you can suppose a 0.004 gap between each item level doesn't create a big gap between each level.
eg. 499 give a ×2.992 multiplier to the ilvl modifier, 500 a ×2.996 multiplier & 501 a ×3.000 multiplier. There is diminishing returns because 2.992/2.996 is slightly more than 2.996/3.000 and so on... But that's something far from on/off situation (on/off appears only in some case, as Briv's speed but for totally different reasons)

Please note that the difference is not taken directly on an ability as it's a modifier in another modifier, the real effect of gear on a value is ×1+([gear base]×(1+([ilvl]-1)×0.004))) because even without gear an ability will work (considers gear base as 0 then). With prestack gear applying that multiple times like x^[stacks].

*In most case, [gear base] for epics are 2.75 for champion abilities & ultimate damage, 2.30 for all champions bonus, 3.5 for dps self bonus & 1 for health, heal, speed and a few other abilities, IIRC. (with ×1.5 for shinies & ×2 for golden items)
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kab_reg May 28, 2024 @ 10:49am 
I level event champions I want to use a lot to approximately ilvl 550.

https://i.postimg.cc/ncsW4XBn/Roster.jpg

I stopped using Briv for gem farming 1.5 years ago. All high-end game content is cleared (except for breaking z2000 in the Trials).
Last edited by kab_reg; May 28, 2024 @ 10:53am
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TAKE A DUMP May 28, 2024 @ 10:55am 
Originally posted by kab_reg:
I level event champions I want to use a lot to approximately ilvl 550.

https://i.postimg.cc/ncsW4XBn/Roster.jpg

I stopped using Briv for gem farming 1.5 years ago. All high-end game content is cleared.

Been meaning to ask you about those green highlighted numbers on bottom left of square.
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kab_reg May 28, 2024 @ 11:06am 
Those are pigments (mostly support pigments).
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TAKE A DUMP May 28, 2024 @ 11:21am 
I got a survey from CNE a few days ago/last week i forget. I suggested more opportunities for other pigments. Tanking/Healing/DPS. i checked store, no where to be found. Afew seasons ago, they were offered everywhere, now nadda.
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JC May 28, 2024 @ 2:41pm 
the pigments, DPS and tanking i think were part of season passes. I have tanking ones on one character, i don't think i got any DPS ones. Support come with the mini events like the one going on now.

I recently started adding scales to my favorite people, to help me get farther on unrestricted things. They cap at 20 i think. The normal item lvl's i think people said 500 is the place you want to get to and after that it's very small gains, but i'm not sure exactly. Of course everything seams subject to change with this game on what caps are.

I just started buying patron chests, and picked up 100 from each of the patrons and just opened those. They seamed to target my lowest characters which i guess is a good thing. so perhaps invest in some of them, outside of the targeted timegates, but you only get a few chests from them. Perhaps the people you want to use will be in the new unlock events as they are much easier to get 9-12 gold chests and then you can buy another 50+ if your just focusing on one character.
Last edited by JC; May 29, 2024 @ 2:51pm
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kab_reg May 28, 2024 @ 3:42pm 
For reference, it is possible to get about 10M sigils by clearing all Elminster variants.
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TAKE A DUMP May 28, 2024 @ 4:06pm 
Well that's good news. I really want to invest more in some of the newer champions and was worried about my main/push/Trials team. Speed team too. My Briv is just about 2K so i'll leave him be for now and work on the new Baldursgate crew.
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kab_reg May 28, 2024 @ 4:17pm 
Work on Briv first, and leave the rest for later.
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JC May 29, 2024 @ 2:52pm 
Originally posted by Draxus Maximus:
Well that's good news. I really want to invest more in some of the newer champions and was worried about my main/push/Trials team. Speed team too. My Briv is just about 2K so i'll leave him be for now and work on the new Baldursgate crew.


Briv is 2k item lvl? Can you take a screenshot of him with that lvl so i can compare it to mine please?
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TAKE A DUMP May 29, 2024 @ 3:05pm 
Originally posted by JC:
Originally posted by Draxus Maximus:
Well that's good news. I really want to invest more in some of the newer champions and was worried about my main/push/Trials team. Speed team too. My Briv is just about 2K so i'll leave him be for now and work on the new Baldursgate crew.


Briv is 2k item lvl? Can you take a screenshot of him with that lvl so i can compare it to mine please?
Was. I started beefing him up more since. At 2500 now.
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kab_reg May 29, 2024 @ 3:06pm 
https://i.postimg.cc/zvGPPwSF/20240530010431-1.jpg

Briv at 3.1k.
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JC May 29, 2024 @ 5:15pm 
Originally posted by kab_reg:
https://i.postimg.cc/zvGPPwSF/20240530010431-1.jpg

Briv at 3.1k.


Holy crap, that is way higher than mine lol. So i guess even with reduced increases they still increase a good amount then ehh?
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TAKE A DUMP May 29, 2024 @ 6:22pm 
Reduced increases like diminishing returns?
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JC May 30, 2024 @ 5:29pm 
Originally posted by Draxus Maximus:
Reduced increases like diminishing returns?

Yes, unless that has changed. I was either watching something, or some posts about how after 500 or 550 it was less. I guess i assumed it was a lot less, but this doesn't seam like it's as much less as i thought.
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TAKE A DUMP May 30, 2024 @ 5:33pm 
500 makes sense. I've noticed that some teams in certain adventures require higher levels tho.
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