"A Lesson in Classes" Zariel variant

[Kriogar]

Hello,
Im trying to complete it, so I checked the appropriate champions in patronless ALIC, got e269 BUD spike https://i.imgur.com/2Bp8RWi.png
So I started the run with Zariel, and cant recreate that e269 spike for some reason.

Anyway here is my Zariel roster https://i.imgur.com/kibPEcY.jpg
Any formation suggestions?

Im working on improving my core, but I will probly need a bit more then that.

[kab_reg]

Swap Blooshi and Turiel for better buffing.

Prime candidates for replacement are Briv and Desmond. I'd say, try replacing Desmond with Baeloth, and stack Djinn buff on all your party members. Don't forget to re-stack Blooshi afterwards. Alternatively, replace Briv with Valentine if your have her feat.

[Kriogar]

Sry wrong pic for the roster: https://i.imgur.com/XHgJC9I.jpg
Got that feat now, and gonna look into Djinn stacking.

Any use for Avren here?

[Hecate]

Take also the time to read the following topic:
https://steamcommunity.com/app/627690/discussions/0/3182359786935319681/?ctp=2
Some champions may have change but theorically for better output.

I'm not sure Artemis is the ideal DPS champion for that because you've to stack not so optimal DPS/Support with him (Asharra as just support is really below average and she's not positionnal).

Issue with Avren is he's dual spec ; so he takes both places of Sorcerer and Warlock.

Nowadays, I'lf probably try something like that with your roster (dps Birdsong)
https://ic.byteglow.com/f/5_20316a1560430067190d
or I don't know (Xerophon in place of C-B. And a fighter, like Mehen?)
or (with mine - DPS Asharra):
https://ic.byteglow.com/f/5_6a43386706100058154e

[Hecate]

I'm currently in a TG push so I can't beta test things.

[Kriogar]

Im at e281 spike with Valentine atm, so it should be enough.
Thanks guys.

[kab_reg]

BUD spiking is a tricky and random thing. Sometimes I get it almost immediately, sometimes I have to wait 10-15 minutes for a big (e30-e50) BUD spike from Freely.

[Hecate]

Think about the +1 CHA feat for Miria if you've it (It's from a gold chest drop...) ; she's a Wizard and a really great support and may quite goodly repace Asharra in your Artemis formation (set her adjacent to Valentine and some DPS).

And she'll made your Turiel tanking more stable.

[Kriogar]

Yeah, waiting for spike is hell (I use to wait like a hour for good push, lol), but now I just use Aila and Grimm to build some debuffs > boom.
I can still use Grimm and Warden if I'll get into trouble here, so thats good (I hope).

[kab_reg]

https://www.reddit.com/r/idlechampions/comments/vgvh6s/evergreen_champion_guide_xerophon_the/

You can check my old setups for ALIC here. However, I used Zorbu instead of Artemis as my main DPS.

Originally posted by Kriogar:

but now I just use Aila and Grimm to build some debuffs.

I do it too, although mostly with B&G and Warden. I checked Aila, and was relatively unimpressed with her debuff.

[Hecate]

It's also hard to set it in place because she has to hit enemy two times : to shock then electrify (I don't think it has been changed, but I'm not sure. I didn't used a debuff spike since over a year)

[kab_reg]

IIRC, she can also add electrification via her ultimate attack.

[Hecate]

I wonder if it has not been changed during season 1 rework. Current description says nothing about it now (It was previously as you recall).

She needs a lot of electrified enemy to be really useful (Debuff scales with number of foes debuffed & with Aeoris Synergy that increases for electrified enemies for her).

[kab_reg]

Aerois synergy is irrelevant because I don't have other Aerois champions in my main party.

Scaling also won't work in my case because getting a BUD spike via Freely usually requires leaving only 1-2 heavily debuffed enemies as a punching bag. I can get the spikes in regular fights as well, but it's usually much less efficient and reliable.

[Hecate]

Right you'll lose the stacks and the synergy when you'll set her out then.

[Kriogar]

Made it https://i.imgur.com/6563BMc.jpg
Last 50 areas took some babysitting since BUD could go as low as 265
Didnt have to use debuffs, that 293 just happened

Again, thanks a lot.