Teach me the importance of "Speed", please.

[Der Falscher]

I've scrolled a bit this past week because there is a time event coming up shortly and I also have enough time pieces to get another champ (although I'll pick in priority in one of these slots: Minsc, Jamilah or Arkhan).

Speed comes up often as something tremendously important. I do have Deekin that speed things up a bit, but his buff isn't close to Buenor's. So far, I try to use him until I hit my first wall, then switch him out for a buffer and I do the same at my second wall, switching Jarlaxle, my money maker, for Stoki (lack of better buffer). How can I become more efficient?

[DaringJes]

To be efficient you'll need more speed champs ;) like Naharra, Hewman, Shandie, Briv, Widdle, Sentry, Melf
And yes ... speed is one of the big goals in this game ... it makes a difference if you need hours to lvl 600 or just 15 minutes ... faster progress=faster powergain

[Der Falscher]

Originally posted by DaringJes:

To be efficient you'll need more speed champs ;) like Naharra, Hewman, Shandie, Briv, Widdle, Sentry, Melf

Won't keeping only Speed champ hinder your progress? What's the meta here? Why is speed so important?

[DaringJes]

Look, let's say your area goal is 800. Then you want to get there asap. So your speed champs get you to e.g 600 ... preferable powered by speed pots, since you won't really need power to get there (at a certain point) Speed is also important for gem farming ... click dmg to your wall, then let the Modron reset. It feels like you are relatively new. Watch a video from someone who is running at max speed and you get an idea, how fast the game can run and why this is important. For me the transiton while changing levels takes longer than clearing a level (less than one second)

[Youngfrey]

Originally posted by Der Falscher:

Originally posted by DaringJes:

To be efficient you'll need more speed champs ;) like Naharra, Hewman, Shandie, Briv, Widdle, Sentry, Melf

Won't keeping only Speed champ hinder your progress? What's the meta here? Why is speed so important?

Speed champions are used in conjunction with Modron Core automation to grind gems. It's not a starting player activity. But you can certainly start a run with speed and then swap in the real push team.

Set up a formation to go as fast as possible
Set your Modron Core to reset once you get to a level enemies don't die instantly to click damage.
Profit in gems.

If you don't know what Modron Cores are, you can unclock them once you have 2/3/4 champions in each slot. A quest called "Split The Party". Beating it give a Modron Core and the ability to run 2 parties at the same time. The cores let you automate runs (you'll need a lot of familiars) and get a bunch of buffs (eventually).

[Der Falscher]

Originally posted by DaringJes:

Look, let's say your area goal is 800. Then you want to get there asap. So your speed champs get you to e.g 600 ... preferable powered by speed pots, since you won't really need power to get there (at a certain point) Speed is also important for gem farming ... click dmg to your wall, then let the Modron reset. It feels like you are relatively new. Watch a video from someone who is running at max speed and you get an idea, how fast the game can run and why this is important. For me the transiton while changing levels takes longer than clearing a level (less than one second)

Yeah, my main goal at the moment is in Icewind Dale and it's level 325 I believe. Takes at least a day with a few bump to clear that.

At least it let me test out my best build. So far Valentine made the biggest difference and I switch form Krond to Asharra (weaker than Krond with the camps I have) and to Makos as DPS (I built around Asharra and Makos out-DPSed him by a mile). It's still between Krond and Makos as main DPS (different formation for a select few).

[Daggot]

If it's taking you that long, then you need to grind more favor. The other thing that's not mention too often is your favor helps you clear faster because it raises the soft cap on your click dmg. The more favor you have the higher you can raise your click dmg before the enemy health out paces your click dmg. This doesn't help with armored enemies, but you get the general idea.

[Der Falscher]

Originally posted by Daggot:

If it's taking you that long, then you need to grind more favor. The other thing that's not mention too often is your favor helps you clear faster because it raises the soft cap on your click dmg. The more favor you have the higher you can raise your click dmg before the enemy health out paces your click dmg. This doesn't help with armored enemies, but you get the general idea.

So far I can only gain a good Favor bump when I surpass my goal or am just about to. I tend to stay there for as long as I can see the % grow. I've heard of Favor farming, but I'm not sure I do it right either. Last level I tried to do, I couldn't get close enough and did not gain 1% of favor.

[OldGamer]

speed = active play to get more resources to level up your champs more.

power = to get you to higher levels more easily and to complete missions and your goals.

I would balance these two factors out. There are some must gets and those would be:

Widdle
Hew
Briv (still yes)
Shandie
Deekin
After that they get situational.

And for power
Krull (early)
Avren (very early)
Freely (early)
Zorbu (mid early)
Artemis (later)
Orkira (early)
Rest again comes situational or clash with your other DPS teams.

[Der Falscher]

By early in the Power list, do you mean they are mostly good early in an adventure? Does this mean they become less relevant the more you advance during an adventure?

[Ebyl]

Originally posted by Der Falscher:

By early in the Power list, do you mean they are mostly good early in an adventure? Does this mean they become less relevant the more you advance during an adventure?

No, I believe they mean when those champions become really useful in your Idle Champions "career." Artemis and and Zorbu are good examples. Artemis is extremely powerful, but only if you can build around him correctly (which most newer players won't be able to do just because of champion limitations). Zorbu is strong, but becomes very much stronger once you can farm up his hated enemies bonuses. All of the others you can slot in almost immediately and get big benefits.

[Der Falscher]

Thank you Ebyl. This clears this up a lot. Right now I'm getting Qillek from my Free Time Gate, and right after I'm done farming his gear, I'll open one to get a good champ for a second slot. Minsc, Jamillah or Arkhan are in need of replacement (mostly because I don't have alternate and I want to unlock the Split the Party).

[kab_reg]

Originally posted by Der Falscher:

Jamillah is in need of replacement.

https://incendar.com/idlechampions_codes.php

Apparently, you forgot to redeem the gift codes.

[VallejoM]

Originally posted by Der Falscher:

Originally posted by DaringJes:

To be efficient you'll need more speed champs ;) like Naharra, Hewman, Shandie, Briv, Widdle, Sentry, Melf

Won't keeping only Speed champ hinder your progress? What's the meta here? Why is speed so important?

For gem farming...

More speed = more boss kills per hour = more gems = more chests = more gear = more power...and later, once you can farm enough gems to buy a LOT of gold chests, then those chests will give you bounty contracts. Bounty contracts used during an event also provide event tokens...and more event tokens = more event runs = more gear for champions in the events etc etc...

For efficiency...

As you are able to progress further and further you will want to reduce the amount of time it takes to get to where your current wall is and/or reach area goals more quickly. You use your speed team to get as far as they can...THEN swap in your pushing formation when you've run out of steam. People are going well over 1000+ areas now and that takes quite a long time without speed champs.

Originally posted by Der Falscher:

Yeah, my main goal at the moment is in Icewind Dale and it's level 325 I believe. Takes at least a day with a few bump to clear that.

That's a pretty long time if you are playing the game actively with the game open (and not trying to do it with background/offline progress). I mean, if you are playing the game that way by setting it up and then turning it off, then speed is not going to help you at all since speed effects do not work offline or in background parties.

If you ARE playing the game though, what that suggests to me is that you probably don't have all that much favour and/or are lacking in power from other means...i.e. blessings, gear, perks, modron core etc to progress at a decent rate and you are probably spending far too long on an area whilst you slowly waste time collecting gold to get an upgrade or two in order to progress.

It sounds as though you are fairly new and I would suggest that Icewind Dale is probably NOT the right place for you at your current power level. That campaign is significantly more difficult then others before it and if you haven't got your first core yet and have no modron buffs or anything else I strongly recommend you put working on that campaign on hold.

Originally posted by Der Falscher:

So far I can only gain a good Favor bump when I surpass my goal or am just about to. I tend to stay there for as long as I can see the % grow

This is fairly normal for newer players. They reach various points where their favour earning hits a plateau...because they have limited available champions, they have limited gear and other limits on the various pillars of progression in the game...blessings, perks, core etc...simply due to being new to the game.

To farm favour you should NEVER, EVER, EVER sit at a wall farming for any longer than half an hour at most. You are always better off, assuming you have made some amount of favour gain, to reset...invest some of that favour into some blessings...then going again with the advantage of the favour you just earned. You will have a higher gold find, thus you will be able to level your champions higher and faster...and go further then you did previously...thus more favour and so the snowball grows.

If you are at a point where you have hit a plateau and you can't gain a single % increase then you need to a) look at your formation, try different things and see if that can get you further...you can look at using potions to see if they can push you forward OR you need to get more power from somewhere...which will likely be from gear or additional champions etc.

One of your first goals in game should be to get Azaka from the Tomb of Annihilation campaign, and learn about how to do Azaka farming. Secondly I would strongly advise getting Krull.

Krull's pilfer spec will do more for newer player favour gains in general day to day play then ANY other champion in the game outside of Azaka farming...and is a key component of that also...but he also has plenty of pushing power for new players as well.

Asharra has fell off her perch a little bit now that it is harder to activate both of her bonds...especially for newer players with shallower rosters. So using Krull + someone else other than Ash as dps is definitely viable again now that Ash isn't necessarily the automatic 'go to' dps choice.

[Der Falscher]

Originally posted by kab_reg:

Originally posted by Der Falscher:

Jamillah is in need of replacement.

https://incendar.com/idlechampions_codes.php

Apparently, you forgot to redeem the gift codes.

Unfortunately there is no valid Champion code on this website. Thank you though. =)

Originally posted by VallejoM:

One of your first goals in game should be to get Azaka from the Tomb of Annihilation campaign, and learn about how to do Azaka farming. Secondly I would strongly advise getting Krull.

Krull's pilfer spec will do more for newer player favour gains in general day to day play then ANY other champion in the game outside of Azaka farming...and is a key component of that also...but he also has plenty of pushing power for new players as well.

Asharra has fell off her perch a little bit now that it is harder to activate both of her bonds...especially for newer players with shallower rosters. So using Krull + someone else other than Ash as dps is definitely viable again now that Ash isn't necessarily the automatic 'go to' dps choice.

First, let me say that what I cut from your quote is mostly for ease of reading in mine. Everything you said VallejoM is pertinent.

Krull has been on my priority list for a while now. Although he's behind getting a second champion in every slot.

As for Azaka, I found in many, many places that this slot should be used by Zorbu ~ which is the champion I was aiming to unlock next (or Freely which has Speed). But now I see that Azaka is unlockable from a campaign, thus next goal =D

Asharra, I use this Champ all the time... as a support. I was maximizing its DPS, but once I got Valentine, my overall DPS went through the roof and a nice side effect was Makos out-DPS-ing every other champion I have. Maybe a build around Krond can also compete.

What do you suggest for my next Time Gate champion then? Zorbu or Freely, considering my next goal will be Azaka.

[kab_reg]

Strix code should be valid.

Freely is not a speed champion.

That's stranger. Unlike Asharra, Makos does not buff himself, therefore he cannot outdamage Asharra at higher levels. Have you botched her bonds? You need two full bonds, four champions in each, to make Asharra really shine.