whats up with the negative reviews

[charlie white]

game is good why are people pissed

[kab_reg]

Due to the bunch of past and coming nerfs of some of its key champions. If you don't count negative reviews from newbies, who were attracted by the recent giveaway and did not like the game.

Another MAJOR problem is the number of unfixed bugs in this game. Their list is of the size of Encyclopaedia Britannica, and many of them remain unfixed for 3-4 years :(.

[OldGamer]

You have seen nothing yet. Come Wednesday, I reckon a lot of players will review and thumb down.

Tomorrow I am spending sometime writing mine, An actual serious review on steam.

[Moldive]

Hard nerfs kind of go against the spirit of investment when folks are actually spending real money to better their characters for progression. It's debatable if certain nerfs are necessary to balance the game (and I suppose in many cases they are), but aren't finding the stellar combinations inherent to its gameplay, longevity, and appeal?

[Hyperserver]

Originally posted by moldive:

Hard nerfs kind of go against the spirit of investment when folks are actually spending real money to better there characters for progression. It's debatable if certain nerfs are necessary to balance the game (and I suppose in many cases they are), but aren't finding the stellar combinations inherent to its gameplay, longevity, and appeal?

well - exploiting a mechanic which was never meant to work that way (like Briv skipping bosses you never have beaten before) leads to nerfs - normal - and happens in all games.
I don't get why people rage about upcoming briv nerf - you have to play new content ONCE "normal" and then in freeplay you can use Briv like always. Nevertheless people whine about that they now have to "play normal" the first time.
ANd to be honest: normally they BUFF weaker champions rather than nerfing the best ones - yet people whine though.
Like "HEY - i spent money to get that champion up and now you buff another champion and now he is equal to mine *buhuuuuuu* *cryyyyy*

[OldGamer]

Originally posted by Hyperserver:

Originally posted by moldive:

Hard nerfs kind of go against the spirit of investment when folks are actually spending real money to better there characters for progression. It's debatable if certain nerfs are necessary to balance the game (and I suppose in many cases they are), but aren't finding the stellar combinations inherent to its gameplay, longevity, and appeal?

well - exploiting a mechanic which was never meant to work that way (like Briv skipping bosses you never have beaten before) leads to nerfs - normal - and happens in all games.
I don't get why people rage about upcoming briv nerf - you have to play new content ONCE "normal" and then in freeplay you can use Briv like always. Nevertheless people whine about that they now have to "play normal" the first time.
ANd to be honest: normally they BUFF weaker champions rather than nerfing the best ones - yet people whine though.

Wholly disagree. Briv's main mechanic is to skip areas, any area.
Don't get fed by their PR of how they want you to think.

Briv's aesthetic/character from the streams was just that.

It is also EVERY new content.

That is Trials, Timegates, every variant, every mission. This will slow progress down and make the game boring.

If you are here in a month or 6 or a year you can reply back to me then. But I bet you will get bored by going 650-900 levels+ without briv skips. Whereby sometimes the game bugs out and won't let you pass one boss when you have enough to pass them? Yeah I bet you will quit this game hard.

[Hyperserver]

Originally posted by OldGamer:

Originally posted by Hyperserver:

well - exploiting a mechanic which was never meant to work that way (like Briv skipping bosses you never have beaten before) leads to nerfs - normal - and happens in all games.
I don't get why people rage about upcoming briv nerf - you have to play new content ONCE "normal" and then in freeplay you can use Briv like always. Nevertheless people whine about that they now have to "play normal" the first time.
ANd to be honest: normally they BUFF weaker champions rather than nerfing the best ones - yet people whine though.

Wholly disagree. Briv's main mechanic is to skip areas, any area.
Don't get fed by their PR of how they want you to think.

Briv's aesthetic/character from the streams was just that.

It is also EVERY new content.

That is Trials, Timegates, every variant, every mission. This will slow progress down and make the game boring.

If you are here in a month or 6 or a year you can reply back to me then. But I bet you will get bored by going 650-900 levels+ without briv skips. Whereby sometimes the game bugs out and won't let you pass one boss when you have enough to pass them? Yeah I bet you will quit this game hard.

well - what's the sense having a DPS check on a boss, if you simply can skip it by taking briv into team the stage before?
Briv is designed to skip stages, yes ... but not to bypass game mechanics like DPS checks

[Hyperserver]

but back to topic:
Reviews always should be objective. Using reviews from "best game ever" as long as your team is top, but instantly to "not recommended" just because they nerf 2 out of 40+ champions (because they are absolutely overpowered and heavenly abused) is nothing about a fair review - this is raging pure (and the reason i give a shi* about reviews talking like that)

[OldGamer]

Originally posted by Hyperserver:

Originally posted by OldGamer:

Wholly disagree. Briv's main mechanic is to skip areas, any area.
Don't get fed by their PR of how they want you to think.

Briv's aesthetic/character from the streams was just that.

It is also EVERY new content.

That is Trials, Timegates, every variant, every mission. This will slow progress down and make the game boring.

If you are here in a month or 6 or a year you can reply back to me then. But I bet you will get bored by going 650-900 levels+ without briv skips. Whereby sometimes the game bugs out and won't let you pass one boss when you have enough to pass them? Yeah I bet you will quit this game hard.

well - what's the sense having a DPS check on a boss, if you simply can skip it by taking briv into team the stage before?
Briv is designed to skip stages, yes ... but not to bypass game mechanics like DPS checks

There are better ways to make it viable than forcing a particular way to play a game.
Gamers (majority anyway) don't like being told how to play a game FYI.

Solutions to the Briv "problem"?
* cap his skips at 4x (give refund to players over via smithy contracts)
* Make it so that the bug/exploit on his stacking works correctly. (aka you can't just restart the game to get 5,000 stacks or whatever.)
* His intial design was that he could only skip 1 area. If they still had this, I bet you they would not be forcing players to play their bosses when Briv is in play.
* And extra: You have Patrons without Briv in. That's where you can fight their bosses if you like :)

It is also not the game. The game is a strategy game, you are meant to use in built mechanics to your advantage. It takes ALOT of time investment just to get 100% 1 skip briv, and to get 4x skip it takes a lot of time too.

It is ONLY because the community has driven new players into this "meta" about Briv and Hew that it hass become a staple of how we play. But that is the point of this game.
As I said above, the devs shouldn't force players to play a certain way. Not even linear story games do that. It's why I dislike puzzle games also as they do that rubbish all the time.

Thus, by the time you are "skipping" content (whole different argument that) you are well into the mid-game and you already have probably spent time playing this game for well over 1,000 hours. To me, games are a progression to become OP. Briv skipping bosses is just a strategy that the community came up with. Same with CDB and the likes.

Yes exploits like Krydale's should/will get patched. But for Briv, they just destroyed his entire aesthetic. There is now no point in him in the game. He's now just a Gem farmer.

[OldGamer]

Originally posted by Hyperserver:

but back to topic:
Reviews always should be objective. Using reviews from "best game ever" as long as your team is top, but instantly to "not recommended" just because they nerf 2 out of 40+ champions (because they are absolutely overpowered and heavenly abused) is nothing about a fair review - this is raging pure (and the reason i give a shi* about reviews talking like that)

They have nerfed more than just two.
Besides the point though, you should (as a dev)
a) never nerf (avoid at all cost)
b) never go back on your word
and c)
and this is VERY important
Never change anything that has been out for over a year.

Especially if they have paid you for that. We are paying customers here, would you take this from a resturant, hotel or electronic store who sold you a product or service and then they would NOT refund you if they suddenly changed that product or service? NO. You would not. So why on earth are you taking it on your video games??

[Moldive]

Originally posted by Hyperserver:

Originally posted by moldive:

Hard nerfs kind of go against the spirit of investment when folks are actually spending real money to better there characters for progression. It's debatable if certain nerfs are necessary to balance the game (and I suppose in many cases they are), but aren't finding the stellar combinations inherent to its gameplay, longevity, and appeal?

well - exploiting a mechanic which was never meant to work that way (like Briv skipping bosses you never have beaten before) leads to nerfs - normal - and happens in all games.
I don't get why people rage about upcoming briv nerf - you have to play new content ONCE "normal" and then in freeplay you can use Briv like always. Nevertheless people whine about that they now have to "play normal" the first time.
ANd to be honest: normally they BUFF weaker champions rather than nerfing the best ones - yet people whine though.
Like "HEY - i spent money to get that champion up and now you buff another champion and now he is equal to mine *buhuuuuuu* *cryyyyy*

Red Herring

[Hecate]

Originally posted by OldGamer:

Especially if they have paid you for that. We are paying customers here, would you take this from a resturant, hotel or electronic store who sold you a product or service and then they would NOT refund you if they suddenly changed that product or service? NO. You would not. So why on earth are you taking it on your video games??

Well, if you go in a restaurant and ask for a veal blanquette because you liked it the last time you get there and they say they don't make it anymore, I don't think they'll refund you your old meal. You can either go to another restaurant to get a veal blanquette, either ask for another meal. In any case, the veal blanquette you eat there was damned good for you and you just feel sorry, maybe angry, they don't cook it anymore. But last time when you ate it there, you were happy. Chief just changed since, that's it.

[kab_reg]

Originally posted by OldGamer:

* And extra: You have Patrons without Briv in. That's where you can fight their bosses if you like :)

Or use DM to bring him in :).

[OldGamer]

Originally posted by kab_reg:

Originally posted by OldGamer:

* And extra: You have Patrons without Briv in. That's where you can fight their bosses if you like :)

Or use DM to bring him in :).

That is very recent.
And it shows they don't look at all gameplay angles. However, I also would say that falls into strategy genre of this game.

[OldGamer]

Originally posted by Hecate:

Originally posted by OldGamer:

Especially if they have paid you for that. We are paying customers here, would you take this from a resturant, hotel or electronic store who sold you a product or service and then they would NOT refund you if they suddenly changed that product or service? NO. You would not. So why on earth are you taking it on your video games??

Well, if you go in a restaurant and ask for a veal blanquette because you liked it the last time you get there and they say they don't make it anymore, I don't think they'll refund you your old meal. You can either go to another restaurant to get a veal blanquette, either ask for another meal. In any case, the veal blanquette you eat there was damned good for you and you just feel sorry, maybe angry, they don't cook it anymore. But last time when you ate it there, you were happy. Chief just changed since, that's it.

But that isn't really the case here. You have had your Veal, you have called up and specifically asked them a year later "do you have that delicious veal?", the cheif explicity said to you on the telephone "yes we have that veal, the exact way you had it before Mr OldGamer".

And then, when you have driven to that resturant, which takes you 4 hours and half as the motorway was blocked on J12 and you had to go along the A roads which is a ruddy nightmare. Windswept, frustrated, and tired BUT your ONLY thing you hold dear in that moment, the thing you have yearned for, tasted in your mouth when you sat in that traffic on the A4352 for 4 hours, the hope, the dream, the taste of that delicious Veal, the exact way you liked it last year.

However, the waiter tells you the Veal is not only not on the menu anymore but it will NEVER be on the menu again.

In this country, UK, you would be refunded your deposit.

[kab_reg]

Originally posted by OldGamer:

In this country, UK, you would be refunded your deposit.

Or would be used for cooking of the next servings of the "veal blanquette" :)?