newbie question for party composition adivce

[Niedersachse_tm]

Hi
IStarted some days ago and doe the sword coast campaign (and some running) to get more favors and more champions.

the ingoing and outgoing buffs are know and some concepts, but its still a little bit much about alignment and distances and so on to see which hero will be the best possible atm.


what potential do you see?

what i have per slot:
1: bruenor
2: celeste / krydle
3: spurt / nayeli
4: jarlaxe
5: caliope
6: krull / ashara
7: black viper / minsc
8: hew-man / hitch / delina
9: makos /shaka
10: Tyriel
11: Nova / jamilah
12: arkhan


Krul and hewman got some really great items, but they do not fit so well in the group, at least for my unexperienced eyes. and spurt sometimes too. (e.g. debuffing jarlaxes disguise skill so that there are not 6 non-evil around him)

[SPYcorp]

Its not optimized and may vary depenting on your gear.
* Krull is one of the best de-buffers. He shine when you are close to your wall and he is able to apply multiple de-buff stacks.
* I use Hew only for increased droprate and dont know if they buff better than Hitch.

---------------------Hitch-------------------
----------Calliope------------Celeste--------
--Makos-------------Jarl---------------Tyril-
------------Krull--------------Nayeli---------
--------------------Bruenor------------------
[edit] swapped Nayeli with Celeste. Thx @Soteria

Specializations:
Tyril - Wild Shape - Tank / DPS buff (only good champs e.g. Hitch) when under attack
Celeste - War Domain - increase DPS buff adjacent
Nayeli - Vengeance - increase DPS buff column behind
Hitch - Charismatic - DPS buff char with 14+ CHA (Jarl, Hitch)
Jarl - Secret Lord - selfDPS buff
Bruenor - Battlemaster - increase DPS buff same column
Calliope - Valor - increase DPS buff 2 columns ahead
Krull - Pain - increasing debuff per stack applied / goldfind
Makos - Blessing - DPS buff non adjacent

[OldGamer]

This guide to formations can help for beginner players or this video guide.

As your in the swords coast, I would go for a minsc or black viper DPS (or even Hitch). Although Jarl is awesome early on, I would still put him as master of priacy though even if you are looking for him as a DPS. More gold early on = more favour = more blessings = power. Power, gets you further which gets more gold, more favour etc... In which Krull (Pilfer) being very useful as well as this increases the cycle. But as you noted Krull and Jarl don't work too well together, as Krull wants to build up his plagues on close enemies whilst Jarl likes to backstab the furthest foe/monster.

[Niedersachse_tm]

is hitcvh or bruenor(bruno) the front? i thought brunoh, but than najelis buffs for everyone behind her or when she gots attackes are completeley useless


oh it was left to right ;( my fault

[OldGamer]

Originally posted by Niedersachse_tm:

is hitcvh or bruenor(bruno) the front? i thought brunoh, but than najelis buffs for everyone behind her or when she gots attackes are completeley useless


oh it was left to right ;( my fault

Tyril is your tank in SPY's formation and Makos is at the back.

[SPYcorp]

Originally posted by OldGamer:

...But as you noted Krull and Jarl don't work too well together, as Krull wants to build up his plagues on close enemies whilst Jarl likes to backstab the furthest foe/monster.

Oh, yeah. Totally forgot the annoyance of backstab.

@Niedersachse
in my proposed formation you can also try:
* put Bruenor in the center
* swap Makos, Hitch or Jarl adjacent to Celeste and check who perform best

[Buzzler]

Originally posted by OldGamer:

Although Jarl is awesome early on, I would still put him as master of priacy though even if you are looking for him as a DPS.

I'd suggest against dragging Jarlaxle around in a damage formation if you don't use him as DPS, because he does zero buffing. More buffing from a support champion will usually get you to a higher level and allow to gain more favor in the end.

[OldGamer]

Originally posted by Buzzler:

Originally posted by OldGamer:

Although Jarl is awesome early on, I would still put him as master of priacy though even if you are looking for him as a DPS.

I'd suggest against dragging Jarlaxle around in a damage formation if you don't use him as DPS, because he does zero buffing. More buffing from a support champion will usually get you to a higher level and allow to gain more favor in the end.

Of course for pushing but as you go along, the increased gold find (even albeit small) would increase the favour during. Once you hit a wall, then you can swap things around and see what works best to either overcome that (soft) wall and move forward to your actual wall with more buffs in place.

[Soteria]

I'd take SPYcorp's formation and swap Nayelli and Celeste. I suspect Hitch will do more damage, but that way they'll both be buffed equally and you'll be able to tell.

Whenever you have enough favor to quickly unlock slot 11, I'd start trying to use Nova. Until you get Avren in that slot she's one of the better supports in the whole game.

[Niedersachse_tm]

i can buy slots with favor? good to know

[Niedersachse_tm]

oh, not at the same time. so just the normal character unlocking.. not gettign a 11th champ on the battlefield....for which champ should i swap nova?

[Niedersachse_tm]

btw i treid the first suggestion from spycorb at the mad wizard and got to lv 150 where i wasnt good enough for hte boss.

[Phantom]

1: bruenor - A gold find king, not the best in slot for click damage or dps damage but essential for gold find

2: celeste / krydle - Both sub par... celeste should probably be the choice

3: spurt / nayeli - Neither are great in the grand scheme... probably spurt

4: jarlaxe - undisputed gold find king...

5: caliope - good until you get better

6: krull / ashara - Krull hands down... not only one of the best debuffers in the game, but also a gold find jack in his own right

7: black viper / minsc - Minsc hands down between these two

8: hew-man / hitch / delina - Hew is a great speed boost hero, not much good for other things. Delina can be an acceptable DPS, hitch can be an accetable buffer


9: makos /shaka - Makos is surprisingly good for buff later, shaka is just bad

10: Tyriel - one of the best buffers in the game, hard to go wrong with him... also can be an excellent tank

11: Nova / jamilah - neither are really great... probably nova better

12: arkhan - a decent tank, was essential in helping me break level 1000 through powering up another character and then returning to the darkness where he belongs

[SPYcorp]

Originally posted by Niedersachse_tm:

i can buy slots with favor? good to know

Favor increase your gold find. In turn you can unlock higher slots/skills faster.
So once you hit your wall, reset to gather favor. But keep in mind it will dimish at a certain point.
You can sacrifice some favor in Blessings for additional buffs. Therefore check Blessings, too.

Originally posted by Phantom:

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12: arkhan - a decent tank, was essential in helping me break level 1000 through powering up another character and then returning to the darkness where he belongs

With OPs lineup Arkhan could be a pretty useful DPS, since he already has Krull.
I didnt suggest him due to assuming he does not have enough favor, yet.

[Noeh23]

Originally posted by SPYcorp:

Originally posted by Phantom:

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12: arkhan - a decent tank, was essential in helping me break level 1000 through powering up another character and then returning to the darkness where he belongs

With OPs lineup Arkhan could be a pretty useful DPS, since he already has Krull.
I didnt suggest him due to assuming he does not have enough favor, yet.

He was referring to Arkhan as a useful Usurp hero for gathering stacks for Orkira. So just a spoiler for the future for OP. Otherwise Arkhan is quite crap - even though with Krull, Torogar and later Hew you can make him kind of useful for certain things.

[Niedersachse_tm]

---------------------Hitch-------------------
----------Calliope------------Celeste--------
--Makos-------------Jarl---------------Tyril-
------------Krull--------------Nayeli---------


works fine for me on the easy dungeon until somelevels after 150.



btw. at the moment i can get my first timegate

with kruul, stoki or vlahnya


Would it be better to get more golden chests for kruul oder to get stoki or vlahnya?
stoki is unfortuantely at jarlaxes place and he does normally 99,5-100% of my damage in that formation