Ultimate pointlesness

[Nariz]

So the ultimates became even more pointless today.

Ultimates now at best do *100 damage of BUD.

A large fire breath potion with 6 pets on field will do *9000 BUD damage every second. When you stack all 4 breath potions you will do *33,300 BUD damage every second. Even the smallest small breath potion will do *1,800 BUD damage every second by itself.

Compare that to measly *100 damage every few minutes from ultimates.

The only ultimates worth casting anymore are ones with special effects:

Minsc (debuff)
Krull (click damage is ineffective vs armored/segmented npcs)
a few knockback/stun ones (ashara, pwent etc) for insta kill bosses.
non damage hero mechanic such as Spurt or Havilar.

Thats it.

I suppose it is only fitting that I got a wild offer this morning for Deekins Ultimate damage GE. I could only laugh in irony (and no I was not stupid enough to buy it)


Ohh and thank you for the Havilar speed nerf too. The imps will not respawn now when modron resets. I guess we might as well all script and stop buying your pets.

[Coo Coo Pigeon]

Originally posted by Nariz:

Ohh and thank you for the Havilar speed nerf too. The imps will not respawn now when modron resets. I guess we might as well all script and stop buying your pets.

Take your upgrade speed off upgrade and the imps spawn again.

About ult's, they never really been worth it with a few exceptions.
They are mainly crowd control or target specific assistance.

[Nariz]

You will not see the nerf until you restart the client. It does not matter which spec you pick in modron (or even no spec). Pets will not respawn.

It looks like they have some non working feature in Havilar Modron spec where you can choose "Area to Activate" for her spec but it does not do anything currently.

[Noeh23]

Confirmed - if the Blue Box says anything but Upg. then your imps are back
I feel you on ultimates but some are quite useful - among others you did not mentions are Aila, Tyrill, Avren, Regis, Donaar, Vlahnya and of course Azaka ... so yeah most of them are shajt but there are some good ones / useful ones

[Coo Coo Pigeon]

Originally posted by Nariz:

You will not see the nerf until you restart the client. It does not matter which spec you pick in modron (or even no spec). Pets will not respawn.

It looks like they have some non working feature in Havilar Modron spec where you can choose "Area to Activate" for her spec but it does not do anything currently.

Pick them manual, save over existing formation.

[Nariz]

Originally posted by Noeh23:

Confirmed - if the Blue Box says anything but Upg. then your imps are back

I have no idea what "blue box" you are talking about. The only blue boxes I have are the "level up buttons" for champions not placed in formation.

This is what I have:

Formation saved with Havilar in it.
Pet on leveling up Havilar.
I manually spawn the pets first time by activating ultimate.

I set Modron area goal to 15.
When it reaches level 15 it resets but the pets are gone (they do not respawn ever unless ultimate is manually activated).

Changing Havilar spec has no effect. Setting formation manually and overwriting it has no effect.

Make sure you restart your steam client to get the Client downgrade. You will not see the effect overwise.

[Noeh23]

Originally posted by Nariz:

I have no idea what "blue box" you are talking about. The only blue boxes I have are the "level up buttons" for champions not placed in formation.

The Blue Box where you change upgrade speed like CCP wrote. I have it on x25 for example. Imps reappear on modron reset

[Nariz]

Originally posted by Noeh23:

Originally posted by Nariz:

I have no idea what "blue box" you are talking about. The only blue boxes I have are the "level up buttons" for champions not placed in formation.

The Blue Box where you change upgrade speed like CCP wrote. I have it on x25 for example. Imps reappear on modron reset

You are a genius this does indeed work around the issue.

If you set the upgrade amount box (to the left of where BUD is shown) to anything but "Upg" the Imps reappear on Modron reset. This can be set to x1, x10, x25, x100.

[Coo Coo Pigeon]

If your overwriting with saving doesnt work to fix specs, you have both parties in the same campaign.
Fix it when one is on a different campaign.

[Soteria]

I guess the problem with fixing ults is that if you make them useful, then you greatly increase player power... unless they nerf overall damage to compensate. Thought it would be nice if I could use ults other than Avren's for damage.

[Noeh23]

Originally posted by Nariz:

You are a genius this does indeed work around the issue.

Mate I literally just confirmed what CCP wrote in the first comment

Originally posted by Coo Coo Pigeon:

Take your upgrade speed off upgrade and the imps spawn again

you literally got the answer in the first sentence of the first comment

[Nariz]

Call it a case of rage induced brain freeze =)

[Coo Coo Pigeon]

Originally posted by Nariz:

Call it a case of rage induced brain freeze =)

And then some more raqe after cause you coulda solved it an hour earlier?

[Nariz]

Originally posted by Coo Coo Pigeon:

Originally posted by Nariz:

Call it a case of rage induced brain freeze =)

And then some more raqe after cause you coulda solved it an hour earlier? :lunar2019deadpanpig:

All hail the great CCP. That might even go through the great firewall of china.

[Coo Coo Pigeon]

Hail + Pigeon = Nariz takes out the shotgun?

*flies off*

[BurningFalcon]

Well, I guess, at one point, unless you actually buy potions, you're going to run out of them, and when not using the potions, you will need ultimates to climb further.
For me at least, ultimates definitely help with boss-battles, and sometimes I even can clear waves which have like e5 more health than I do damage.