Freely

[ptor]

On paper, sounds the kind of hero you'd want in all formations, at least until the near-wall (1% favour every 100 levels, plus equipment boost? don't mind if I do!)
But will the rubber<->road interaction hold up?

PS I'll consider it a letdown if his achievement or feat isn't called "Get lucky" :D

[Phantom]

walnut isn't a speed hero

deekin was rebalanced recently to become a decent speed hero

[Coo Coo Pigeon]

OldGamer님이 먼저 게시:

so for freely, is this a viable strategy?

I sit at a low level (was on 33) and just waited to get freely.

Then I put speed, bud and gold potions for the whole adventure.

Got Jarlaxe, Makos, Walfgar and Cattie Brie recruited

And hit progress on.

I know its only .1% meaning you would have to do a century of levels before getting any noticable effect, but this should be good for a favour mine?

I don't have many champs (Azaka would be immense here I'd imagine!).

I'll type out all my champs later.

I have 13 words for you my friend:
Deekin Deekin Deekin Deekin Deekin!

[Phantom]

My plan for freely will be

Full gold find per Azaka farming with Cattlebri swapped out for Freely (and will have artemis swapped for Krull)
Full speed formation per common sense with Minsc swapped out for Freely
Full attack speed formation per freelys lawful/neutral/chaotic one.. I'll have to take a look and see whos the best in this... which will have krull as a part of it
Full DPS formation with freely in it

-Step one

Get to level ~650, pretty easy to reach for me

-Step two

Limit a boss down to one unit, turn that unit into a Jim mimic

-Step three

Donaair the mimic with of drop

-Step four

Swap to full attack speed formation, with krull specced for gold find (25% and 40% pilfer) and pilfer, with freely specced for full gold find (25% and his hit)

Step five let that roll for a bit then swap into the full gold find formation
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Trigger azakas ult (with full gold pots of course) and see how it goes

Let her ult cooldown, swap back to step four and repeat

Early tests showed me that he is slightly better than cattlebri (with NO equipment) for gold find, so now that I'm mostly purple on him it should go better

-Step six

When I'm done with this farm, swap freelys feat to +tales bonus and then end the run


The hangup will be in getting his two gold chest feats and buying the 12500 favour one - On the plus side I have MOST of the gold feat chests so its really just drawing from a pool of 3-4

[Coo Coo Pigeon]

I think you nailed it phantom, the only thing he's useful for.

[ptor]

Phantom님이 먼저 게시:

Full gold find per Azaka farming with Cattlebri swapped out for Freely (and will have artemis swapped for Krull)

I'm curious to know what (was?) your gold formation. For me Nrakk boosting Krull+Bruenor+Drizzt solidly overtook any other formation I tried. But Artemis? I must have missed something, because he didn't really boost much for me

[SevenBlueSeven]

So, how do champions with cleave attacks or multiple targets, like Stoki / Warden / Calliope work with Freely's Luck?

[Phantom]

So

I run



Brunenor

Regis -w/ (Donaair of drop switch)

Artemis (gold find feats + works with Jarlax) (run him in new events/timegates to get to the soft cap)

Jarlax

Pwnt (next to a champion of the hall)

Krull (generally swapped in for Artemis, as pilfer is better than his gold find when your on a fixed target) - As in I'll run with Artemis until I'm ready to take on the mimic then its krulling time

Cattle-Bri (Now to be replaced with Freely) -w/ (Jim mimic switch)

Nrakk (next to brunenor and Drizzit)

Drizzit

Wulfgar

Azaka



Which makes my current gold find formation vs a mimic chest (+ is a rough estimate of how good they are for what they offer)

Brunenor (+++ Gold)
Regis (++ Gold)
Jarlax (++++++ Gold)
Pwnt (++ Gold)
Krull (++++ Gold) [Potentially +++++++++++++++++++ but that's rare]
Freely (++++ Gold) [Potentially +++++++++++++++++++ but we'll see how practice is]
Nrakk (++ Gold)
Drizzit (++++ Gold)
Wulfgar (++ Gold)
Azaka (+++++ Gold)


Artemis is ++ Gold, but slightly worse than the others in the % display,
Donaair has a switch that gives + gold,
Jim mimic is + gold

And of course Cattlebri was only ++ to gold also only slightly better than artemis

[ptor]

Phantom님이 먼저 게시:

Krull (generally swapped in for Artemis, as pilfer is better than his gold find when your on a fixed target) - As in I'll run with Artemis until I'm ready to take on the mimic then its krulling time

Ah, I see now what you meant!
I only unlocked Artemis' +gold feat this week, so I've never thought of him "that way"
Artemis notwithstanding, it's what I've been doing as well. I think I'll bring in Artemis as well while climbing, in the same formation slot as Krull (=next to Nrakk for that bonus, just in case it's useful for something).

[Naesala]

You know, Freely is very free to use, just keep on using him till you have gotten close to your wall and then switch him out in your formation, then when you finish the level past your wall, you can switch him back into the formation again, all the levels he was present in won't disappear, his adventurous tales give a basic 0,01% a level at base, it got 2 upgrades possible, the first is 50% increase to it, I suppose the 2nd is another 50% increase, so with the first increase it becomes 0,015% a level, and with the 2nd it's 0,0225% a level, to make things even better, it can be improved by an item, a green item is 30%, so I suppose an epic one is 100%, with a golden epic, you could potentially get 200%? I don't know if golden increases the item by 100%, but it's higher than a shiny 50%. Anyway, lets say 100% from a normal epic, so we are looking at 0,045% a level, meaning a favor boost of 18% if you have him in your formation for 400 levels, then switch him out as you reach your wall. the 18% is multiplicative, so even if you end up with like 10 000% favor, his ability will increase it to 11 800%. You keep him in formation till you reach a wall and then switch him out, you gain a bunch just with him existing. Gold farm formations don't do a squat to your total favor before you reach your wall.

TLDR; Freely is used before your wall, gold formation can be used on your wall. You lose literally nothing.

[Coo Coo Pigeon]

he doesnt have to be in your formation when you reset to get the bonus, why bother putting him back?

[Naesala]

Coo Coo Pigeon님이 먼저 게시:

he doesnt have to be in your formation when you reset to get the bonus, why bother putting him back?

Even better! Then he's definitely worth grabbing, heck, forgot about the 40% feat (which you can buy for 12500 gems), so the gain from 400 levels would be 25,2% if you got it, him max'd from lvl 1 and an epic item for it.

[Phantom]

Coo Coo Pigeon님이 먼저 게시:

he doesnt have to be in your formation when you reset to get the bonus, why bother putting him back?

You need him to get the tales bonus

He out golds cattlebri so hes worth having in for that reason anyway

Using him on my idle speed hero push of mad wizard I idle up another 20 levels now (granted it was minsc for him so also extra gold for the clickers but still)

[MehZhure]

Not sure what to make of freely yet. Or jaheria for that matter.

For reference, I am using this formation... https://idle.kleho.ru/assets/fb/18a503/42_16_45_24_51_61_63_59_53_44.png

Nrakk and Zorbu are usually my two top DPS (Zorbu because...he's Zorbu, and Nrakk because he has way more ilvls than anyone else). But, with this current formation, the top DPS has been going back and forth between Freely and Jaheria.

Anyone else experiencing anything like this?

[ptor]

MehZhure님이 먼저 게시:

For reference, I am using this formation... https://idle.kleho.ru/assets/fb/18a503/42_16_45_24_51_61_63_59_53_44.png

I'm getting a

{"error":-1,"data":[],"messages":["Wrong formation"]}

[Hecate]

@Phantom :
I think you miss my point. The extra time gained can be used to do another thing (like a patron variant or challenge or freeplay), not every run have to be a favor push.

I don't say to don't use Freely, I say to use him with Briv rather than without. Yeah, it'll cost 150-200 areas value of AT in your last favor push. But in the end it'll be almost nothing.

Let say 750 over 900 areas (150 skipped) ?
750 levels with a 10% boost gives 75% extra favor
900 levels with a 10% boost gives 90% extra favor.

Let's say you've 1e30 final favor it gives :
1e30 -> +75 % -> 1.75e30, gives a 302.43% favour increase in conversion
1e30 -> +90% -> 1.90e30, gives a 302.79% favour increase in conversion

You can feel the final 0.088% increase in your converted Torm's favor as meaningful and a must have, but I'm not (and I'm not saying you're wrong and it's bad to feel that way : if max favor is your goal, you'll get more favor in the end).

Again, play the game the way you enjoy it, it's all that matter. Extreme favor pushing can be a way, and you can have fun with it, but it's not the only way to enjoy the game. You can always earn more favor, the question is if the amount of time it demands to gain an extra significative amount is worthy or, more importantly, if it's fun. There is no good or bad answer, there is no yes or no. It's only a question of personnal preference.

Apart from a few Stradh variants, everything in the game can be done with something no higher than e20-e21 favor, I guess. Some long-term player enjoy doing the game in an non-chest challenge and their plays go pretty well. Everyone's goal in the game can be different. None is better than other, but one is the better suitted to you : yours.