Switching characters mid-game

[crazymdw]

Hi all, newish player here. In certain matches some of the slots are filled by either chickens etc. the level still gives me the option of unlocking higher rated characters but when i swap them for an existing character my DPS goes down drastically due to the existing characters buffs all going. Is there any way i can swap in a higher tiered character because at the moment i'm always stuck with the same early unlock characters in the level

[OldGamer]

I wouldn't do the chickens one when you are new. It's a trap. I fell for it too.

I only have JUST done the chicken one when I had e09 favour, so it tells you how challenging it actually is.

[crazymdw]

Originally posted by OldGamer:

I wouldn't do the chickens one when you are new. It's a trap. I fell for it too.

I only have JUST done the chicken one when I had e09 favour, so it tells you how challenging it actually is.

I have done the free missions a couple of times to raise my Torm favour and it is currently x24 gold and the chicken nodes have changed from fair to easy but i still only get to lvl 56 before i hit a wall. ahhh well. i will take your advice and come back to them on a later date.

thank you

[OldGamer]

Originally posted by crazymdw:

Originally posted by OldGamer:

I wouldn't do the chickens one when you are new. It's a trap. I fell for it too.

I only have JUST done the chicken one when I had e09 favour, so it tells you how challenging it actually is.

I have done the free missions a couple of times to raise my Torm favour and it is currently x24 gold and the chicken nodes have changed from fair to easy but i still only get to lvl 56 before i hit a wall. ahhh well. i will take your advice and come back to them on a later date.

thank you

No worries, are you using scientific notations for the values? (it's way easier)

Every e is a power of 10 I believe.

It's also about champs you have and what you can get quickly. I think I did it with Tyril (the bear), Celeste (war), Cattie (single), Aila (Storm) and Jarlaxe (Piracy) then I flipped to Nrakk late game on his faster option.

[Coo Coo Pigeon]

Especially if you're new, I'd switch to scientific notations. Its easier to get into NeY notations than to know what all the different notations for the abbreviations of the words.

I'm with OldGamer on this one, skip it until you got a lot more favor.

Now for the character swaps, when you're new you need to grind some favor a.s.a.p. (make sure you push trough free play missions until you can't kill anymore to get as much gold as possible)
When your favor is up a you can level the stronger characters higher aswell, about e25-e30 money wise should be the turning point for new players where slot 9-12 is worth swapping in over the lower slots.

[ptor]

Ignore the infernal chickens for a long time. That's the easy part.
You can swap out or move characters any time unless: (all apply)
- The character has been damaged, targeted, stunned, or any other enemy effect for a few seconds
- The column the character is under direct attack from the front line

Exceptions are:
- You can always remove a character by choosing a different hero in the same slot (only when you have them)
- If you chose an unlocked character with the just-mentioned exception, the selected one is immediately slotted in the place (hot-swapping).
Typical examples of the latter are Gromma-Nayeli and Tyril-Wulfgar

[BurningFalcon]

I actually don't see a problem with the non-scientific numbers.

It should be like this:

m = million
M = Millard
b = billion
B = Billard
t = trillion
q = quadrillion
Q = quintillion
s = sextillion
S = septillion
o = octillion
n = nonillion
d = decillion
u = undecillion
D = duodecillion
T = tredecillion
qd = quattuordecillion
Qd = quindecillion
sd = sexdecillion
Sd = septendecillion
O = octodecillion
N = Novemdecillion
v = vigintillion
c = centillion

Now, the only question would be if it's short or long scale.
That would make a "tiny" difference.
So, 1 billion in short scale is 10^9, but 1 millard in long scale is also 10^9, a billion would be 10^12
Example:
1 trillion is 10^12 in short and 10^18 in long scale
1 octillion is 10^27 in short and 10^48 in long scale
1 centillion is 10^303 in short and 10^600 in long scale

So, that would be the most confusing part, but other than that, so long you know the right order of the abbreviation, there's no problem at all.

[Soteria]

I used the non-scientific ones for quite some time. They take up less space and look cleaner to me. But eventually I gave in, because after a certain point it switches to scientific anyway.

[Coo Coo Pigeon]

Originally posted by BurningFalcon:

I actually don't see a problem with the non-scientific numbers.
...
So, that would be the most confusing part, but other than that, so long you know the right order of the abbreviation, there's no problem at all.

How about non native speakers, the English way mil's, bil's and such are in completely different order in every other language. Only Kilo and Million have the same value nearly everywhere. Where 10 to the power Y is the same number everywhere

[BurningFalcon]

Originally posted by Coo Coo Pigeon:

Originally posted by BurningFalcon:

I actually don't see a problem with the non-scientific numbers.
...
So, that would be the most confusing part, but other than that, so long you know the right order of the abbreviation, there's no problem at all.

How about non native speakers, the English way mil's, bil's and such are in completely different order in every other language. Only Kilo and Million have the same value nearly everywhere. Where 10 to the power Y is the same number everywhere

Well, my native language is german,
What you mean is the difference between short scale and long scale.
So, now that you mentioned it, it should be clear they use long scale. Otherwise, they won't have a milliard or billiard, because those two don't exist in the short scale (used by US, Eastern Europe, English Canadian, Australian, and
modern British)

[Coo Coo Pigeon]

Germans go mil, bil, MIL, BIL rather than mil MIL bil BIL don't they?
French go mil, mill, MILL, .... even worse
Won't start about Asia, cause its a whole other piece of candy there.

[adeyke]

The game uses short scale (so no -iards).

I always use scientific notation, because it's just so much simpler. It's trivial to look at two numbers and see which is bigger and by how much. Also, different games aren't really consistent with how they apply prefixes. Some carry on from k and M to use other SI prefixes (G, T, etc.). Some just start going through the alphabet (a, b, etc.). And some, like this one, instead use prefixes for the words (B, T, etc.). But even among the games that do that, it's not always consistent how to disambiguate the two S words or the two Q words, whether it's through capitalization (s vs S) or additional letters (Sp vs. Sx), or how to deal with extremely large numbers. So just learning one set of prefixes once might not be enough.

But also, even if you do know the prefixes, that just means you can quickly convert the number back to the scientific notation in your head. There still isn't really an advantage over just having the scientific notation displayed directly. For small numbers, scientific notation can be bad, in that it obfuscates numbers that people already have an intuitive sense for ("One carton contains 1.2e1 eggs."). No one has an intuitive sense of a quattuordecillion, though.

[ptor]

Originally posted by BurningFalcon:

I actually don't see a problem with the non-scientific numbers.

My first reaction is "WTF is a virgintillion", then I reread and realise it's "vigintillion". To which of course the answer is "and WTF is it"

But, quick: what is bigger, 35s or 825t? And what about 4.7e10 and 7.4e11?

Maybe your brain is hardwired to remember that t < s < S < T, mine just looks and says 10 is less than 11

[Coo Coo Pigeon]

Originally posted by ptor:

t < s < S < T

Are you trying to break my brain?
if t < s then why isnt' T < S


z<y<x<w<v<u<t<s<r<q<p<o<n<m<l<k<j<i<h<g<f<e<d<c<b<a & A>B>C>D>E>F>G>H>I>J>K>L>M>N>O>P>Q>R>S>T>U>V>W>X>Y>Z ?
Screw it, Im ganna stcik to counting 0-9

[ptor]

Originally posted by Coo Coo Pigeon:

Originally posted by ptor:

t < s < S < T

Are you trying to break my brain?
if t < s then why isnt' T < S

FIIK? Apparently T stands for "tridicillion", whatever a thirteen-illion is, because apparently e42 (or whatever the correct exponent might be) is too hard to understand? #MakesTotalSense

[OldGamer]

Originally posted by Coo Coo Pigeon:

Originally posted by BurningFalcon:

I actually don't see a problem with the non-scientific numbers.
...
So, that would be the most confusing part, but other than that, so long you know the right order of the abbreviation, there's no problem at all.

How about non native speakers, the English way mil's, bil's and such are in completely different order in every other language. Only Kilo and Million have the same value nearly everywhere. Where 10 to the power Y is the same number everywhere

Also, an american billion is less than an English billion.

It's very confusing when they started using billions. In my day it was a million, million.

Now you have billions, trillions and whatnot.