After 23.000 hours im tired and quit this game.

[76561198324618547]

I played since alpha test and the game was ok then,
but they keep adding more and more things to do so the game changed from idle to 24x7 babysitting.
Main reasons for me to quit are patrons and challenges, this is complete waste of time, boring and tedious.
Another reason is disgusting memory consumption and leaking they dont fix for years.

I have some better games to play.

[Gainja]

Hey, I think you're right about patrons and challenges being a complete waste of time, just like everything else in this game - isn't that the whole point of it

Some of the patron variants you do have to babysit, but the challenges you just have to start and let idle.

I only just passed 9.000 hours myself, and have often wondered how long I'll stay around... Then I don't babysit for a few days and just let it idle, and eventually get back to doing another variant.

Sad to see you go, hope you enjoy the better games :)

[snaketeeth01]

I don't play baseball because it is too athletic.

What I'm saying is if you don't want to swim get out of the pool.
But don't blame the pool for being too complicated, too wet, too warm, too cold.

Am I entirely pleased with Borderlands 3? No.
But you know. I am still going back to a ame that is like 20 years old and I have never beat in my life. Fun game, difficult strategy game. quite difficult and tedious.
20 years later and I am still struggling to win halfway through the 50 map campaign.

Those who are attracted to the math of an idle game will stick to it.
Maybe you do not spend any time on kongregate.
One trend I have noticed in the past year especially is the appeal to the "idle" game.
Is this what we want?
Do we really want to play NGU for 8 years?
I don't know.
I have been playing an online city building game for 8 years logging in doing the same boring daily tasks that I've done for years.
Repeating a cycle over adn over and over and over and over. Every day.
Because if I don't do it, I don't get the rewards. You want the rewards? do the clicks.

You call it a burden that you have to babysit 24 hours a day opposed to not having to before.
Nobody is making you.
The difference is additions have made it to allow you something to do 24 hours a day opposed to lacking content.
And for the same free to play price since day 1, I have no complaints.

I am roughly.. 1.3 years into play. Do I hardcore play it all the time? No.
But.
If I want those patron chests, so that I can get epic gear for my champions. I need 5k patron a shot.
Dam. Gotta grind that out.
And then I might need 10 chests to get 1 guarenteed purple on a champ i cant select.
that's 50k gem. Or.
Do I grind up the 50k gem to buy the constitution feat for celeste? This would allow me to use her in vajra oppose to having to rely on regis.
I have to make that choice. saving 50k gems does not just happen. That's going to take literal months, I know that. Maybe 2? maybe 3? Last year it took me a while to save up 30k gems for a familiar. But I did not haev the speed champs I have now, who knows. I can get to wave 200 in an hour, reset and keep going at max speed.
I can also set up a long grind and walk away for hours at a time.
I am allowed to choose how I manage my progression.

I can reset several times within a day focusing patron and gem. Or. Do I spend hours to get up to my top end and try to set up an azaka farm to grind overnight?

These games are unique in that it opens and allows for managers, to manage.
If you want to be a shelf stocker, hey go play something else. Go through your storyline, with most doors locked except for the ones you are supposed to walk through.
This is a genre where you are allowed to do what you want. As much or little as you want.
You get out of it what you want. Do you want to push the growth of one aspect hard for a few weeks? Do you want to just upgrade any easy minimal upgrade you can and allow that slow growth to contribute to overall power?
The RPG slow growth process is entirely up to you.
Even more so now that you are allowed to choose your TG champion.
Dam dood.

So I can choose to go for 3 gold briv chests and help my MIRV formation, help my TG and event, as I choose to use briv as my main tank.
I still need to up his HP and speed.
Or.
Do I want to get some cattibrie chest? I have her crit chance up. But I still only have blue death march, if I get that to purple, thats a stronger debuff for my Strahd formation.
I do not have to upgrade shandie. But. I know if I do there is benefit and use to it.
I canshoose to upgrade krull and make my "best formation" stronger. But I know it comes at the cost of ignoring strahd progression as krull cannot be used there.
This dynamic again is another situation where as a manager you are left to decide your best course of action which you must enact today. But the affects of which last for weeks at a time.
You cannot simply TG back to back to back for free endlessly.
When do you want to TG? How high do you want to push the favor? Can you use TG on a 3 day period when you have time to push it? Do you have potions stocked up for use?
I tend to only do variants on a weekend buff, when I can apply a buff to make it easier on me. Still I want to have the potions on hand to use to help. And to get through different situations.
this makes it so I need to go fetch gold chest codes and put in. This is an "out of game" task that adds a new level of interactivity.
One thing that many free games struggle with is that they will often have some sort of "pay to win" formula.
Sure in this case you can dump hundreds of dollars on gold champion chests and unique gear upgrades. But that's what about 15 bucks a shot for one champ upgrade? ugh.
This is somewhat of a unique mechanic where you do not have to pay money to get access to these chest codes.
Instead you "pay" what, 5 minutes to go to a site and start typing in codes up until your last entry? Oh no. 5 minutes every 2 days is enough time investment to get all additional chests.
How is that any different from any other RPG game that requires a 5 minute in game quest and you get a reward?
Think of this as a out of game 5 minute scavanger hunt. With in game rewards.

What is even better about all of this is that these chest codes often come from supporters of the game.
I myself am not involved in DND in any way, I am not familiar with baldurs gate or other franchises that are related to this game. But knowing the depth and balance design that goes into card games, table top strategy games. And having DND. A behemoth in RPG design backing this game. That alone brings enough "oomph" to the table for me to stay tuned and appreciate what comes down the pipe.

When I look at Borderlands 3 specifically.
Man I don't know. I've owned it for a month now and I don't know what to think.
It is so different from what we borderlands players expected. Seeing the current state of the game and future of the game. My connection with it will be uncertain. I am overall dissapointed in a game that I have looked forward 2 for half a decade.
Where with idle champions.
This is something I downloaded on my PS4 over christmas. And have put more hours into it over the past year than anything else.
And now we have offline progress! Very slow, but it's there. This is a boost to me.
Where previous if the game crashes overnight only 30 waves into my overnight grind. That's it. That's all the progress I get.
Where now if my game crashes only partway in.
When I get up and launch. I may not be at the top wall due to decreased game speed. But I will still have a good couple hundred levels progress.
In that regard things are getting better toward player convenience.

[OldGamer]

Originally posted by snaketeeth01:

I don't play baseball because it is too athletic.

What I'm saying is if you don't want to swim get out of the pool.
But don't blame the pool for being too complicated, too wet, too warm, too cold.

Am I entirely pleased with Borderlands 3? No.
But you know. I am still going back to a ame that is like 20 years old and I have never beat in my life. Fun game, difficult strategy game. quite difficult and tedious.
20 years later and I am still struggling to win halfway through the 50 map campaign.

Those who are attracted to the math of an idle game will stick to it.
Maybe you do not spend any time on kongregate.
One trend I have noticed in the past year especially is the appeal to the "idle" game.
Is this what we want?
Do we really want to play NGU for 8 years?
I don't know.
I have been playing an online city building game for 8 years logging in doing the same boring daily tasks that I've done for years.
Repeating a cycle over adn over and over and over and over. Every day.
Because if I don't do it, I don't get the rewards. You want the rewards? do the clicks.

You call it a burden that you have to babysit 24 hours a day opposed to not having to before.
Nobody is making you.
The difference is additions have made it to allow you something to do 24 hours a day opposed to lacking content.
And for the same free to play price since day 1, I have no complaints.

I am roughly.. 1.3 years into play. Do I hardcore play it all the time? No.
But.
If I want those patron chests, so that I can get epic gear for my champions. I need 5k patron a shot.
Dam. Gotta grind that out.
And then I might need 10 chests to get 1 guarenteed purple on a champ i cant select.
that's 50k gem. Or.
Do I grind up the 50k gem to buy the constitution feat for celeste? This would allow me to use her in vajra oppose to having to rely on regis.
I have to make that choice. saving 50k gems does not just happen. That's going to take literal months, I know that. Maybe 2? maybe 3? Last year it took me a while to save up 30k gems for a familiar. But I did not haev the speed champs I have now, who knows. I can get to wave 200 in an hour, reset and keep going at max speed.
I can also set up a long grind and walk away for hours at a time.
I am allowed to choose how I manage my progression.

I can reset several times within a day focusing patron and gem. Or. Do I spend hours to get up to my top end and try to set up an azaka farm to grind overnight?

These games are unique in that it opens and allows for managers, to manage.
If you want to be a shelf stocker, hey go play something else. Go through your storyline, with most doors locked except for the ones you are supposed to walk through.
This is a genre where you are allowed to do what you want. As much or little as you want.
You get out of it what you want. Do you want to push the growth of one aspect hard for a few weeks? Do you want to just upgrade any easy minimal upgrade you can and allow that slow growth to contribute to overall power?
The RPG slow growth process is entirely up to you.
Even more so now that you are allowed to choose your TG champion.
Dam dood.

So I can choose to go for 3 gold briv chests and help my MIRV formation, help my TG and event, as I choose to use briv as my main tank.
I still need to up his HP and speed.
Or.
Do I want to get some cattibrie chest? I have her crit chance up. But I still only have blue death march, if I get that to purple, thats a stronger debuff for my Strahd formation.
I do not have to upgrade shandie. But. I know if I do there is benefit and use to it.
I canshoose to upgrade krull and make my "best formation" stronger. But I know it comes at the cost of ignoring strahd progression as krull cannot be used there.
This dynamic again is another situation where as a manager you are left to decide your best course of action which you must enact today. But the affects of which last for weeks at a time.
You cannot simply TG back to back to back for free endlessly.
When do you want to TG? How high do you want to push the favor? Can you use TG on a 3 day period when you have time to push it? Do you have potions stocked up for use?
I tend to only do variants on a weekend buff, when I can apply a buff to make it easier on me. Still I want to have the potions on hand to use to help. And to get through different situations.
this makes it so I need to go fetch gold chest codes and put in. This is an "out of game" task that adds a new level of interactivity.
One thing that many free games struggle with is that they will often have some sort of "pay to win" formula.
Sure in this case you can dump hundreds of dollars on gold champion chests and unique gear upgrades. But that's what about 15 bucks a shot for one champ upgrade? ugh.
This is somewhat of a unique mechanic where you do not have to pay money to get access to these chest codes.
Instead you "pay" what, 5 minutes to go to a site and start typing in codes up until your last entry? Oh no. 5 minutes every 2 days is enough time investment to get all additional chests.
How is that any different from any other RPG game that requires a 5 minute in game quest and you get a reward?
Think of this as a out of game 5 minute scavanger hunt. With in game rewards.

What is even better about all of this is that these chest codes often come from supporters of the game.
I myself am not involved in DND in any way, I am not familiar with baldurs gate or other franchises that are related to this game. But knowing the depth and balance design that goes into card games, table top strategy games. And having DND. A behemoth in RPG design backing this game. That alone brings enough "oomph" to the table for me to stay tuned and appreciate what comes down the pipe.

When I look at Borderlands 3 specifically.
Man I don't know. I've owned it for a month now and I don't know what to think.
It is so different from what we borderlands players expected. Seeing the current state of the game and future of the game. My connection with it will be uncertain. I am overall dissapointed in a game that I have looked forward 2 for half a decade.
Where with idle champions.
This is something I downloaded on my PS4 over christmas. And have put more hours into it over the past year than anything else.
And now we have offline progress! Very slow, but it's there. This is a boost to me.
Where previous if the game crashes overnight only 30 waves into my overnight grind. That's it. That's all the progress I get.
Where now if my game crashes only partway in.
When I get up and launch. I may not be at the top wall due to decreased game speed. But I will still have a good couple hundred levels progress.
In that regard things are getting better toward player convenience.

I bet this took 1,000 hours just to type. But good points.

It's an idle game folks, you are not meant to play it everyday, every hour or every minute. That is the point :)

[Zrazzt]

Originally posted by Shmegapihar:

...

Can I have your stuff? ;)

[MehZhure]

I'm just playing ICotFR until the next awesome D&D game comes out. Currently, that is BG3. Just enjoying the ride until then.

[Phantom]

BG3 que reeing over it being a divinity clone game

But yeah

BG3
FO5
Pathfinders next one
TES next
Assassins Creed Valhalla

all will be good

[leadmecca]

Wallof.txt

[snaketeeth01]

Originally posted by leadmecca:

Wallof.txt

I can just see you kids in a library.
Every book you open.
"whoa, wall of text not reading. Where is the TL;DR?"

[Mal]

Originally posted by snaketeeth01:

Originally posted by leadmecca:

Wallof.txt

I can just see you kids in a library.
Every book you open.
"whoa, wall of text not reading. Where is the TL;DR?"

Kids don't go into libraries. Remember Cliff notes? There is whole crowded online industry devoted to the summary, and even summaries of the summary. From Four Minute Books to SparkNotes and more, there is a TLDR that satisfies most everyone's needs and taste.

[Belucard]

Originally posted by Mal:

Originally posted by snaketeeth01:

I can just see you kids in a library.
Every book you open.
"whoa, wall of text not reading. Where is the TL;DR?"

Kids don't go into libraries. Remember Cliff notes? There is whole crowded online industry devoted to the summary, and even summaries of the summary. From Four Minute Books to SparkNotes and more, there is a TLDR that satisfies most everyone's needs and taste.

Yeah, and most of those that depend on SparkNotes and the like end up being the worst kind of mediocre, never achieving anything at all and just being eternal interns with no deeper inner universe than that of a small pool on the road. Reading is so damn undervalued nowadays.

[Soteria]

Originally posted by snaketeeth01:

Originally posted by leadmecca:

Wallof.txt

I can just see you kids in a library.
Every book you open.
"whoa, wall of text not reading. Where is the TL;DR?"

No offense, but books are usually better formatted and edited.

[OldGamer]

Originally posted by Mal:

Originally posted by snaketeeth01:

I can just see you kids in a library.
Every book you open.
"whoa, wall of text not reading. Where is the TL;DR?"

Kids don't go into libraries. Remember Cliff notes? There is whole crowded online industry devoted to the summary, and even summaries of the summary. From Four Minute Books to SparkNotes and more, there is a TLDR that satisfies most everyone's needs and taste.

The 3 Rs are a betterment to education and drives you to learn more in the future. Laziness shouldn't be the reason why we should or snaketeeth01 should bow down to today's "normalities" due to a few corporations whom wish the quality of readership and literary excellence to be refined down to pure newspeak.

[OldGamer]

Originally posted by Soteria:

Originally posted by snaketeeth01:

I can just see you kids in a library.
Every book you open.
"whoa, wall of text not reading. Where is the TL;DR?"

No offense, but books are usually better formatted and edited.

I beg to differ. Being published by and edited by someone professional doesn't always mean it is easier to read or understand or even good.

Just take JK Rowling, she described the best city known to humankind within two lines. Yet she has won how many "awards"? So it can be professionally edited, published and whatnot, but generally the gems have always been done by amateurs. We now call them "fanfic" writers. But most go on to do their own universes themselves. Generally, again, better than the ones they were expanding upon originally.

PS. Just to give an example of Amateur writers who are now legendary:
JRR Tolkien (he was a keen linguist. and worked in intelligence (i think) before he wrote about middle earth)
Frank Herbert was a navy engineer (memory again could be wrong) before delving into short stories and the ever famous storylines held on Arrakis.
HG Wells was a teacher before giving us many of his books professionally, however, he wrote during his career also.

Can go on and on...Writers used to be a lot like Politicians, often holding other offices, careers etc before taking to becoming an MP. Something why I feel the need that we should go back to that time, as generally MPs back then knew a whole lot more than the ones currently!!

[Soteria]

Originally posted by OldGamer:

Originally posted by Soteria:

No offense, but books are usually better formatted and edited.

I beg to differ. Being published by and edited by someone professional doesn't always mean it is easier to read or understand or even good.

Literally not what I said. I never said "always," and never said "good." I'm talking about basic stuff. Grammar, spelling, punctuation, appropriate use of line breaks.

[OldGamer]

Originally posted by Soteria:

Originally posted by OldGamer:

I beg to differ. Being published by and edited by someone professional doesn't always mean it is easier to read or understand or even good.

Literally not what I said. I never said "always," and never said "good." I'm talking about basic stuff. Grammar, spelling, punctuation, appropriate use of line breaks.

Yes, Dubley is one such author whom writes a little like snaketeeth does. And you can still understand him, can't you?

I can at least.