Binwin's specialization

[Rufyhaki]

So, which of the two is better in your opinion?

[Mandro Cube]

The third : bench him

[Rufyhaki]

Originally posted by Lulu:

The third : bench him

Yes I know my dude, but I still have to deal with last two event campaigns, so for the time being I wondered which one was better.

[Psylisa]

Originally posted by Rufyhaki:

So, which of the two is better in your opinion?

Extra Attacks. His cleave isn't a large radius and isn't worth the damage loss from extra attacks.

Originally posted by Lulu:

The third : bench him

While true for the majority of people, at a certain loot level Binwin will handily eclipse Nayelli's buffs. His damage grows exponentially with his item level (namely, his 4th item slot), whereas Nayelli's buff will only grow linearly.

Example:
At 1 extra attack, Binwin gains 9x damage
At 2 extra attacks, Binwin gains 81x damage
At 3 extra attacks, Binwin gains 729x damage
At 4 extra attacks, Binwin gains 6561x damage

Nayelli's Aura of Protection will usually be in the ballpark of an e5% buff. Or stated another way, about 1000x - 3000x. Binwin will start beating this out at 4 attacks. At 5 and 6 attacks, it gets rather ridiculous and Binwin clearly wins out. This doesn't even factor in Barrowin's extra Blessed Hammer potential due to his increased swing timer, either.

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Originally posted by Rufyhaki:

Originally posted by Lulu:

The third : bench him

Yes I know my dude, but I still have to deal with last two event campaigns, so for the time being I wondered which one was better.

You dont need him for those.

[Rufyhaki]

Originally posted by Psylisa:

Originally posted by Rufyhaki:

So, which of the two is better in your opinion?

Extra Attacks. His cleave isn't a large radius and isn't worth the damage loss from extra attacks.

Originally posted by Lulu:

The third : bench him

While true for the majority of people, at a certain loot level Binwin will handily eclipse Nayelli's buffs. His damage grows exponentially with his item level (namely, his 4th item slot), whereas Nayelli's buff will only grow linearly.

Example:
At 1 extra attack, Binwin gains 9x damage
At 2 extra attacks, Binwin gains 81x damage
At 3 extra attacks, Binwin gains 729x damage
At 4 extra attacks, Binwin gains 6561x damage

Nayelli's Aura of Protection will usually be in the ballpark of an e5% buff. Or stated another way, about 1000x - 3000x. Binwin will start beating this out at 4 attacks. At 5 and 6 attacks, it gets rather ridiculous and Binwin clearly wins out. This doesn't even factor in Barrowin's extra Blessed Hammer potential due to his increased swing timer, either.

Thank you for taking your time to give me such a detailed answer, Psylisa, really appreciate it. :)

[Muffey]

Um.. Am I being obtuse or are you comparing Binwins *SOLO* dps against Nay's ability to buff ONE dps slot?

'cos uh. I'm fairly certain that Nay buffs more than ONE dps slot, and you're not taking into account the buffs that Nay applies to uh. the OTHER TWO slots that are *usually* behind her, and in this particular event's formation where one has Nay in the single 2nd column, for instance... Would way overpower any single dps gains for a Binwin single dps buff.

But to address the question itself - which is better to use? yeah, the extra attacks. Every time.

Someone DID do an experiment and reported in chat - the cleave option? It *does* cleave not only on the first hit, but also on extra attacks. I still don't see that being better than just extra attack change though.

[ipsos]

Buffing more than one champ is irrelevant because there is virtually always only one champ doing significant damage at the wall.

[Psylisa]

Originally posted by Muffey:

Um.. Am I being obtuse or are you comparing Binwins *SOLO* dps against Nay's ability to buff ONE dps slot?

'cos uh. I'm fairly certain that Nay buffs more than ONE dps slot, and you're not taking into account the buffs that Nay applies to uh. the OTHER TWO slots that are *usually* behind her, and in this particular event's formation where one has Nay in the single 2nd column, for instance... Would way overpower any single dps gains for a Binwin single dps buff.

This formation is a bit unique in that you can utilize 2 DPS spots. One of the spots in your DPS column will always be Bruenor, though.

Also, the biggest bonus you can get from having 2x DPS is AT BEST a mere 100% increase (because having two pies is 100% more than having just 1 pie). But in the end, a 100% increase is rather insignificant. This is why 2x DPS formations don't amount to much of anything aside from gimmick fights that need quantity of hits over quality of hits.

Additionally, using 2x DPS usually results in a net loss, because rather than having a stellar buffer, you're using 2 champions that specialize in their own DPS. There's certainly exceptions, but as I said, even in the best scenario, you're looking at a 100% increase in DPS.

New champion mechanics may change that, of course. But based on what we have now, maximizing buffs on 1x DPS is almost always the superior choice.

[Muffey]

Ahah! Fair enough... I guess for high enough levels that happens.. I din't really get beyond 200 for this event though, and definitely had 2 dps on dragons there... Bru's +100% ultimate dps thing also definitely helped for the odd notch here an' there.

But fair point. :)

[Derplord]

Nayeli buffing Bruenor, Strix and Birdsong > Binwin. Correct me if Im wrong. And you need buffers to beat the hardest achis. I have 2 achis left.

[Captain_Narol]

Like the regretted David Bowie used to sing :

Achis to achis, funk to funky !

[PowerSworder]

Yeah, Binwin is garbage.

I thought he'd be a big help on the Durable Deep achievement, but using Nayeli to buff Hitch was more effective at higher levels...