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Konachibi May 27, 2019 @ 4:50pm
Is Qillek worth using over Calliope?
From playing around with Qillek, I just don't find him to be as effective at buffing as Calliope is. Bardic Inspiration offering such a large damage buff and affecting up to two slots away just seems significantly better than anything Qillek offers.
So yeah, my question is, why would you use Qillek over Calliope? What kind of formation would favour the birdy friend more than the pirate bard?
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Fake May 27, 2019 @ 5:53pm 
Yes.
WareBare May 27, 2019 @ 5:59pm 
I'm using him now over Calliope and got from area 411 to 439.

Strix is still my main DPS, probably because I got lucky with epics and I put quite a few Blacksmiths into her, but Delina is pretty good as an alternative once I get her shinies I think, just because I can place her in the back and get her bonus for it as well. That's the first part where I think that one-winged powerhouse can shine over calliope :)

I'm now using Aila as my main tank as she brings her own temp hp shield and gets her healing from Quillek, so it makes placing Celeste more flexible if I even end up using her, the weekend buff was enough to put Regis over the edge. And since I have my tank with Aila I don't need Nayeli and I can use Spurt.

That bird was pretty good for me, it made all the previously okish new champions top tier :D might change again when I get the important shinies for core champs though.
Psylisa May 27, 2019 @ 6:38pm 
https://www.reddit.com/r/idlechampions/comments/brwg90/psylisas_guide_to_qillek_52219/

I like Qillek. He's worth using depending on where your gear levels are. Also, keep in mind that Qillek will get better when the other 3 Aerois champions appear as well.

Right now, he's a pretty solid 7. He's certainly not auto-include, but he does rival Calliope's power.

As for his healing, he'll be heads and shoulders above Celeste. He heals anywhere in formation and heals your entire formation. Even discounting his distance bonuses, he'll out heal Celeste.
bastia May 27, 2019 @ 7:46pm 
He is good at healing.
I saw DEV plan to add three member from Heroes of Aerois in the future.
Scarab-Phoenix May 27, 2019 @ 11:47pm 
Originally posted by Konachibi:
Bardic Inspiration offering such a large damage buff and affecting up to two slots away
What? Two slots away? Since when?
Konachibi May 28, 2019 @ 3:37am 
Originally posted by Scarab-Phoenix:
Originally posted by Konachibi:
Bardic Inspiration offering such a large damage buff and affecting up to two slots away
What? Two slots away? Since when?

Whoops sorry, my bad. I keep forgetting the green arrows from Calliope are for her temporary shields, not bardic inspiration.

Also, thanks for all the info guys. I guess my reason for finding Qillek so underwhelming is because I don't have a lot of characters unlocked yet, but I'll be sure to keep him in mind as I progress.

On the topic of 'is [x] better than [x]', is there a formation or method of making Stoki preferable over Jarlaxle? She's easily my favourite character (I adore shorty races!), but I find it hard to fit her in to my formation while Jarlaxle's Master Of Piracy offers such a stronger benefit to the team.
RaZe May 28, 2019 @ 9:54am 
if Call has really good gear for you, and Quill doesn't, how good does his gear need to be before he starts outdoing Call?
Looter May 28, 2019 @ 12:20pm 
I run Asharra (human/short folk) formation and while he lowers damage output compared to Dhadius. The heal makes up for it, since that formation didn't have a healer before Qillek.
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demonkingt May 28, 2019 @ 4:29pm 
depends on formation size. if it's like the diamond 4 slot wide formation probably not, but these 6 wides are amazing for him since bonus healing further away. his blessing buff seems to be a good alternative bardic inspiration.
Pugwis Jun 1, 2019 @ 7:02pm 
Diath was already worth using over caliope if you use strix as DPS
Jerry Jun 3, 2019 @ 10:45pm 
Originally posted by Pugwis:
Diath was already worth using over caliope if you use strix as DPS

Due to his positional requirement, I'm having a bit trouble to fit Diath into my formation, at least unless I would be willing to either drop Nayeli, Evelyn or the healing by Celeste. All of which feels at first glance like it would cancel out his benefits. What do you suggest? A Donaar setup?
Count_Dandyman Jun 3, 2019 @ 11:04pm 
Originally posted by Jerry:
Originally posted by Pugwis:
Diath was already worth using over caliope if you use strix as DPS

Due to his positional requirement, I'm having a bit trouble to fit Diath into my formation, at least unless I would be willing to either drop Nayeli, Evelyn or the healing by Celeste. All of which feels at first glance like it would cancel out his benefits. What do you suggest? A Donaar setup?
I mean dropping Nayeli is a fairly common thing to do after all there are a lot of formations and variants where you are better off having your main damage dealer further back than the second column that is why Evelyn, Gromma and Aila can so easily compete against her for the tank role.
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Jerry Jun 3, 2019 @ 11:47pm 
Well, there's always the choice to put Nayeli a bit further back in the lineup. Her Aura of Courage is still among the stronger support skills, even if the Aura of Protection doesn't come into play. I suppose, what's limiting me more would be the need to keep either Celeste or Caliope halfway near the frontline with my current setups.

Or far more likely, I once again fail to imagine, how much more powerful a different team structure than mine will be.
Psylisa Jun 4, 2019 @ 12:11am 
Qillek is good - depending on how you play the game and the formation you use. Qillek is a better healer than Celeste; this is flat out and not really debatable. Even with the minimalist of gear, he'll out-heal Celeste and do a full-formation heal at that! The only time Celeste becomes a better healer is with her Ultimate because it's literally a full heal.

As for Qillek's buff, it's probably 10-20x Calliope's Bardic Inspiration. This is pretty good, but not completely auto-include. You'll have to evaluate the larger buff, depending on your gear. Remember, you'll always want Qillek next to your DPS (and appropriate position for Arkhan) to maximize his buff. The range-increase specialization he has is a trap.
LostSoul Jun 4, 2019 @ 5:41am 
Originally posted by Psylisa:
Qillek is good - depending on how you play the game and the formation you use. Qillek is a better healer than Celeste; this is flat out and not really debatable. Even with the minimalist of gear, he'll out-heal Celeste and do a full-formation heal at that! The only time Celeste becomes a better healer is with her Ultimate because it's literally a full heal.

As for Qillek's buff, it's probably 10-20x Calliope's Bardic Inspiration. This is pretty good, but not completely auto-include. You'll have to evaluate the larger buff, depending on your gear. Remember, you'll always want Qillek next to your DPS (and appropriate position for Arkhan) to maximize his buff. The range-increase specialization he has is a trap.

Yes and no. I mean, yes, it really doesn't work with the way formation buffs are built in this game (their range is too limited). But extending 1 cell at 50% efficiency isn't exactly a deal breaker. That's roughly the equivalent of *1* area (enemy health roughly doubles every area, with a boss-area-only spike every 5). I mean, if you're walling at a boss, then it's no big deal. If you're walling shortly after a boss, then you'd definitely want to rethink it, since you'll probably be unable to beat the boss with a weaker buff from Qillek.

But if the idea is to buff champions other than your primary DPS then there's no point -- all your other champions will be missing 1 or more major formation buffs, rendering their contributions moot. Though, it occurs to me, there are enough 'formation-wide' buffs now to replace the more restrictive formation buffers. Gromma in place of Nayeli. Donaar in place of Celeste. Qillek's range-extended buff is most of a formation. Deekin's Dooom spec is formation-wide. And Evelyn is effectively formation-wide. Sadly, they're all event champions, so they're unlikely to hold a candle to their core-equivalent (some by factors of 100x or more), making the fact that you can buff 3-4x more champions at once kind of pointless. You're either spending hundreds of dollars during events to push gear levels to the point that they'd be competitive, or they'll just keep falling further and further behind core champions who can be geared (and substantially) all the time via gold and silver chests.

I mean, you're right. Qillek has the POTENTIAL to be much stronger than Calliope...but only if you're willing to spend a substantial amount of money every time Qillek's event rolls around. All the event champions have that problem -- the game does not provide adequate means of keeping their item levels competitive between their respective events.
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Date Posted: May 27, 2019 @ 4:50pm
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