Auto-Clicking is cheating?

[Lorenzzi]

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Do you consider auto-clicking as a cheating tool ? My friend is into clicking games and he just said to me that its kind of obligatory to have one...

What is your opinion about it?

[Necare]

Originally posted by Arkatar:

Originally posted by Necare:

Hmmm well, when I get into that stage, I will answer you again and I will tell you if what you are saying is true for me or not, and if then clicks become really useful or not.

It's been said over and over. The more DF you have, the further clicking will get you in a much shorter time than if you were to idle. As an example, my ~300M DF lets me click all the way to Area 80 before feeling like my champions should start taking over. That's 16 bosses killed every ~28 minutes (including reset time of course). If what you want is gear, then that's the most efficient way to farm gems that buy you gold chests (and there's the occasional gold chest drop, which obviously happens more often since you're killing more bosses per hour).

But then you are saying the same than me, basically, clicks always will do less damage than heroes no matter how much DF you have. So, at the end, it is just useful in the first levels which means... 3 first levels at beginning, and 80 first levels when you have 10.000% gold income.

[Arkatar]

Originally posted by Necare:

Originally posted by Arkatar:

It's been said over and over. The more DF you have, the further clicking will get you in a much shorter time than if you were to idle. As an example, my ~300M DF lets me click all the way to Area 80 before feeling like my champions should start taking over. That's 16 bosses killed every ~28 minutes (including reset time of course). If what you want is gear, then that's the most efficient way to farm gems that buy you gold chests (and there's the occasional gold chest drop, which obviously happens more often since you're killing more bosses per hour).

But then you are saying the same than me, basically, clicks always will do less damage than heroes no matter how much DF you have. So, at the end, it is just useful in the first levels which means... 3 first levels at beginning, and 80 first levels when you have 10.000% gold income.

Keep in mind that, in the current implementation of the game, you don't want to always progress all the way to your wall. In fact, you want to farm bosses for gem and chest drops way more than you want to farm DF. Not doing this will gimp you out unless you purchase hundreds of chests.

So, being able to farm ~16 bosses in less than 30 minutes thanks to an auto-clicker is a whole lot better than killing said 16 bosses in nearly an hour by idling.

Edit: note that I first replied to you because you were saying that leveling up click damage was a useless waste of gold. All this time, all I've been trying to make you realize is that it's not useless at all, quite the contrary.

[Necare]

Originally posted by Arkatar:

Keep in mind that, in the current implementation of the game, you don't want to always progress all the way to your wall. In fact, you want to farm bosses for gem and chest drops way more than you want to farm DF. Not doing this will gimp you out unless you purchase hundreds of chests.

So, being able to farm ~16 bosses in less than 30 minutes thanks to an auto-clicker is a whole lot better than killing said 16 bosses in nearly an hour by idling.

Edit: note that I first replied to you because you were saying that leveling up click damage was a useless waste of gold. All this time, all I've been trying to make you realize is that it's not useless at all, quite the contrary.

Oh don't worry for that, I don't mind if you quote me or not. Even it could be better this way.

Hmmm I think I get your point. I see it's useful for to farm gems from bosses, yes, but yet I can not help but think is too sad that that's the only function for clicks. Always within the range of early-game instead the whole play time.

[Steel Jawbone]

Why is this trainwreck of a thread still going?

Oh look, here's an account with 999 Nonillion Divine Favor, Shiny gear for everyone, infinite potions, and the highest level beaten is 5555.

I think it's safe to say that this person just beat the game while the rest of us are just scrubbin' along..

[FaintKarma]

I do so love the 'True Scotsman' type trolls. There are always gamers who feel if you are not playing the game thier way you are doing it wrong. So lets break it down

cheat
CHēt/
verb
gerund or present participle: cheating

1. act dishonestly or unfairly in order to gain an advantage, especially in a game or examination.

2. avoid (something undesirable) by luck or skill.


#2 is easy. Is clicking thousands of times in a row a skill? If you think so I'll make a game on steam called 1 million clicks and you can (non auto click) your little heart out.

So lets look at #1 'Gain an unfair advantage.' Lets say that auto clicking does. But then so does buying a Golden axe card. You get an unfair advantage over the peopl who don't . I saw one person spent $37.50 already. Yup, huge advantage.

If your argument is then "But the devs allow it!" Think about it. It's ok to gain an advantage by spending money, which anyone can do. But not ok if you use an auto clicker, which anyone can do.

If you want to be a 'true gamer' then don't use autoclickers or buy anything from the store. Otherwise..... cheater.....

[Geotarrr]

I'm at the middle-ground. Don't see nothing wrong with saving some personal time in routine actions by getting goods from Store OR using auto-click-tool to do (pay attention to that) EXACTLY what you'd do. In that sense if the auto-click-tool just repeats blindly your routinous actions, I don't consider it cheating. BUT if the auto-click-tool clicks too fast (faster than you) or it makes some sort of decisions, I do consider it cheating.

But as the game is single-player, it's solely to the player to decide for themselves which actions they consider cheating and which not.

[Davoodinator]

Originally posted by FaintKarma:

I do so love the 'True Scotsman' type trolls. There are always gamers who feel if you are not playing the game thier way you are doing it wrong. So lets break it down

cheat
CHēt/
verb
gerund or present participle: cheating

1. act dishonestly or unfairly in order to gain an advantage, especially in a game or examination.

2. avoid (something undesirable) by luck or skill.


#2 is easy. Is clicking thousands of times in a row a skill? If you think so I'll make a game on steam called 1 million clicks and you can (non auto click) your little heart out.

So lets look at #1 'Gain an unfair advantage.' Lets say that auto clicking does. But then so does buying a Golden axe card. You get an unfair advantage over the peopl who don't . I saw one person spent $37.50 already. Yup, huge advantage.

If your argument is then "But the devs allow it!" Think about it. It's ok to gain an advantage by spending money, which anyone can do. But not ok if you use an auto clicker, which anyone can do.

If you want to be a 'true gamer' then don't use autoclickers or buy anything from the store. Otherwise..... cheater.....

uphill both ways in the snow. blindfoldled and with rabid dogs chasing you. onyl then is it not cheating.

[theMickey]

There has been a live Q&A on Twitch a few days ago where Eric Jordan, the CEO of CNE, talked a little bit about using autocklickers and scripting.

Source: https://go.twitch.tv/videos/181728660
The part where they're talking about autoclickers and scripting starts at 0:55:00.

TL;DR: there's no "official stance from CNE about those tools". Eric Jordan said also, that there are no Leaderboards in this game, and that this game isn't about PvP, it's all about enjoying the game itself! So, if you enjoy the game as it is and you don't use third party addons, that's great! If you want to use autoclickers and/or scripting, that's ok, too!

I hope this will end these discussions once and for all... ;-)

[SoulEater_yilmaz_durmaz]

the game can get only around 10 clicks per second, and at some point monsters' health is way beyond clicking damage, even "millions times millions" term is not enough to describe.

so you can use a clicker only if you have damage potions to last a few minutes. and besides that only for click achievements.

so, even if it were to be considered a cheating, you have no use of clicking in this game so you can leave this topic to rest

[Davoodinator]

Originally posted by SoulEater_yilmaz_durmaz:

the game can get only around 10 clicks per second, and at some point monsters' health is way beyond clicking damage, even "millions times millions" term is not enough to describe.

so you can use a clicker only if you have damage potions to last a few minutes. and besides that only for click achievements.

so, even if it were to be considered a cheating, you have no use of clicking in this game so you can leave this topic to rest

"autoclickers"

kek

click damage isnt even viable in this game anyways.

[theMickey]

Originally posted by SoulEater_yilmaz_durmaz:

the game can get only around 10 clicks per second

Wrong. The game is set to accept a maximum of 20 clicks per second -- this is a hard limit. I couldn't find it in the patch notes anymore, though I'm 100% sure it was mentioned there. Maybe it was in the patch notes from the pre-alpha weeks.

[LadySky89]

...Auto clicking prevents carpal tunnel..
...Auto clicking saves mouse button..
...Auto clicking shouldn't be considered a cheating and devs should be aware of their existance...
...bla bla...

So why no auto clickers actually work? Evidently they don't want us to use them.
Let me tell you one thing, devs:
-You set the game to give the chance to click on mobs, but so far you didn't develop anything that make clicking useful at all.
-You made in a way we drop random potions to increment clicking by a percentage, but they last a very short time and are barely useful at all.

If progression ultimately depends from the money gained and so on, and potions are actually so limited, now you gotta explain me how we are HUMANELY supposed to be advancing at all with said potions by just clicking on our own.
For how much I can stress my finger and my arm, this is the only idle/clicker I have tried where mobs end up all in masses, one over each other, making it IMPOSSIBLE to keep targetting the same mob until it is dead by clicking.
This is what enrages me, I have 10 potions for clicking and in 2 F****ING MINUTES I can't beat a single zone, because mobs will stack too much and I will half one down only for my cursor to be covered by the next one, and this is unfair and breaks the whole mechanic up.

But we're cheating if we use an auto-clicker to save the savageable, right.
I play another famous clicker game for more than an year now, never ever felt the need, or the rage, to find myself a third party software for clicking, until Idle Champions.

[Jackel]

Originally posted by Davoodinator:

seriously though.

i dont have the time right now to write a proper AHK script to check pixels etc and handle resets. this is more of a mous saver script for playing semi afk manually.
youll hit walls early on if you try and click spam your way through anyhow :D

Sleep, xxx
	  PixelGetColor, progresscolor, XX, YY ; Coords depend on res
	  IfEqual, progresscolor, OxFFFFFF
	 {
		Click XX, YY ; Toggle auto-progress
	  }

This should get you started.

Once you're into the ten's of billions of favor though it's still vastly quicker to click through the first 100-120 levels as opposed to using heroes. After that I agree, click damage drops off the table until you're well into your wall portion.

[LadySky89]

Originally posted by Flammie:

Well....Why not use a controller, instead of a mouse? And yes, you can get software to allow a controller to work, by mapping the mouse actions to the controller buttons.

Because I haven't a controller. Also I doubt it would help, my arm would still be tired and slow down at some point...

In the end AHK saved my day... I had no time to script myself (the useful time to run the mission was about to end), and most auto-clickers are disabled or won't interface with Idle Champions properly, so I found someone else's scripts to try and the very last one worked just fine.

I had to select convenient mobs myself, among the mass of incoming ones, and still wait until hp bar fully scaled down, which took several seconds.
There's no way you can make a trash level in 25 seconds (as someone previously stated in anothe thread), that would require you to kill a mob in 1 second (25 being the objective of all zones), and it's impossible because potions enhance clicks of just a 2% damage per hit (2 minutes ones), and because clicks are capped no matter how you setup your clicker or auto-fire mouse.

To make 10 zones I needed to waste 2 4min potions, 4% per hit makes the process a bit faster, but autoclicker does not make it much faster than clicking manually anyway, and the time DOESN'T STOP running while characters chit-chat, nor during zone transition, so that's all wasted time too.

In no way this can be considered cheating, really, in no way.