BoB Simulation Master Class (offline) Facts

[ProalianceWhile]

1. All enemy algorithms in this mode they are more likely to 'work together' to be able to defeat the players (users).

2. Their def and hit points are very high like the monsters in the dungeon at the Extreme difficulty level. Well ... even though their stats are still quite low from the monsters too. But still their hit points were very high considering the BoB included a mini game with battle royale concept. Even weakpoints for them have almost no effect on them.

When I test how much their Health Points are, they have an average of 20k health points. It is not very suitable for the basic health points of the players (users), on average they only have around 10k of health points at the most and it is very much spent on CP to have health points around 10k.

3. Because of the two previous points, I'm really sure if these two facts were the same as the PS4 platform and for those who are not used to being able to target weakpoints, the BoB Simulation Master Class is very difficult to be able to conquer repeatedly considering we need to defeat many characters in the Master Class to be able to get good weapons too.


What really annoys me is only at the first point. It is possible that the battle royale mode is good. But if the enemies work together to defeat us and they hardly tend to attack the others, that sometimes disturbs my feelings. Well, just imagine when we play Fortnite or PUBG, when all those around you try and work together just to be able to defeat you and they don't attack the others.

So, What do you think?

[AN94]

Some in bob can have up to 35k hp. They are bot, so you can use one method over and over against them and there is some.

[ProalianceWhile]

Yes, it is. I think we can beat it just to focus to use Graviton Shot and use dual. yeah, but still. the way they work together looks annoying. hahaha...

[R2X5@z8]

1. You are right. AI have hate boners against you so much that you can run Conceal + Metamaterial Camouflage and they can still target your ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ from across the map. They also have a tendency of saving debuffs until you arrive and proceed to shove it your way. I'm talking stuns, ♥♥♥♥♥♥ Heat Detonators and the Break Shots, ugh. It honestly feels like a 1v4, 1v7 and a 1v15 in these fights and it definitely ain't a battle royale lto me

2. HP varies from 30-40k and defense also varies on the player. People like Leafa and Yuuki are squishy, but then we get high HP and defense like Bazalt Joe and Klein. Weakpoints on them are only good if you play high damage snipers. My build has the Deathwind do 4k damage on body and 25k on head average.

But yeah why in the ♥♥♥♥ do they have 4 times your health on average which is grossly unfair because every death feels cheap along with their ♥♥♥♥♥♥ aim hacks as well.

3. I get PS4 and their ♥♥♥♥♥♥ controls, but as a PC player, you can afford to turn off auto aim and go for headshots as much as you can, but that point is moot since they run, roll and vault over ledges like they are on steroids you need to stand still to be effective.... which leads you to tank 10 headshots in a row and be on no HP. Anti-AR Veil helps that somewhat but the most effective way would be run and gun with aim assists. Snipers are sorely limited to high damage AMR classes with Anti-AR Veil plus explosive shot to even be effective and any other weapon will take 10 years to kill someone.

It sucks because some weapons are exclusive to BoB (♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ the MG Bezymianny cos ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ Commander Noir almost never spawns) and it does get fun to try builds and challenge other people like Death Gun and LLENN, but ♥♥♥♥♥♥ AI programming and hate boners makes deaths in this game more frustrating than it should be. Combined with the fact that AI occasionally breaks rules to best you and you being restricted to very few playstyles to win consistently. Some builds while effective feel so brainless (2 LMG Moonlights for max brainless lul) and boring compared to some ♥♥♥♥ you can pull off in PvE. At least you get to feel like a champ besting Kirito with a pure sword build (as long as he doesn't ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ you either).

[ProalianceWhile]

Yeah. I agree with you. Especially about some new weapons in BoB master class too. I understand about your feelings... :)

[AN94]

Originally posted by R2X5@z8:

1. You are right. AI have hate boners against you so much that you can run Conceal + Metamaterial Camouflage and they can still target your ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ from across the map. They also have a tendency of saving debuffs until you arrive and proceed to shove it your way. I'm talking stuns, ♥♥♥♥♥♥ Heat Detonators and the Break Shots, ugh. It honestly feels like a 1v4, 1v7 and a 1v15 in these fights and it definitely ain't a battle royale lto me

2. HP varies from 30-40k and defense also varies on the player. People like Leafa and Yuuki are squishy, but then we get high HP and defense like Bazalt Joe and Klein. Weakpoints on them are only good if you play high damage snipers. My build has the Deathwind do 4k damage on body and 25k on head average.

But yeah why in the ♥♥♥♥ do they have 4 times your health on average which is grossly unfair because every death feels cheap along with their ♥♥♥♥♥♥ aim hacks as well.

3. I get PS4 and their ♥♥♥♥♥♥ controls, but as a PC player, you can afford to turn off auto aim and go for headshots as much as you can, but that point is moot since they run, roll and vault over ledges like they are on steroids you need to stand still to be effective.... which leads you to tank 10 headshots in a row and be on no HP. Anti-AR Veil helps that somewhat but the most effective way would be run and gun with aim assists. Snipers are sorely limited to high damage AMR classes with Anti-AR Veil plus explosive shot to even be effective and any other weapon will take 10 years to kill someone.

It sucks because some weapons are exclusive to BoB (♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ the MG Bezymianny cos ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ Commander Noir almost never spawns) and it does get fun to try builds and challenge other people like Death Gun and LLENN, but ♥♥♥♥♥♥ AI programming and hate boners makes deaths in this game more frustrating than it should be. Combined with the fact that AI occasionally breaks rules to best you and you being restricted to very few playstyles to win consistently. Some builds while effective feel so brainless (2 LMG Moonlights for max brainless lul) and boring compared to some ♥♥♥♥ you can pull off in PvE. At least you get to feel like a champ besting Kirito with a pure sword build (as long as he doesn't ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ you either).

So if you hate ai that much in bob, what do you want them to be programed?

[R2X5@z8]

Originally posted by An:

Originally posted by R2X5@z8:

1. You are right. AI have hate boners against you so much that you can run Conceal + Metamaterial Camouflage and they can still target your ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ from across the map. They also have a tendency of saving debuffs until you arrive and proceed to shove it your way. I'm talking stuns, ♥♥♥♥♥♥ Heat Detonators and the Break Shots, ugh. It honestly feels like a 1v4, 1v7 and a 1v15 in these fights and it definitely ain't a battle royale lto me

2. HP varies from 30-40k and defense also varies on the player. People like Leafa and Yuuki are squishy, but then we get high HP and defense like Bazalt Joe and Klein. Weakpoints on them are only good if you play high damage snipers. My build has the Deathwind do 4k damage on body and 25k on head average.

But yeah why in the ♥♥♥♥ do they have 4 times your health on average which is grossly unfair because every death feels cheap along with their ♥♥♥♥♥♥ aim hacks as well.

3. I get PS4 and their ♥♥♥♥♥♥ controls, but as a PC player, you can afford to turn off auto aim and go for headshots as much as you can, but that point is moot since they run, roll and vault over ledges like they are on steroids you need to stand still to be effective.... which leads you to tank 10 headshots in a row and be on no HP. Anti-AR Veil helps that somewhat but the most effective way would be run and gun with aim assists. Snipers are sorely limited to high damage AMR classes with Anti-AR Veil plus explosive shot to even be effective and any other weapon will take 10 years to kill someone.

It sucks because some weapons are exclusive to BoB (♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ the MG Bezymianny cos ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ Commander Noir almost never spawns) and it does get fun to try builds and challenge other people like Death Gun and LLENN, but ♥♥♥♥♥♥ AI programming and hate boners makes deaths in this game more frustrating than it should be. Combined with the fact that AI occasionally breaks rules to best you and you being restricted to very few playstyles to win consistently. Some builds while effective feel so brainless (2 LMG Moonlights for max brainless lul) and boring compared to some ♥♥♥♥ you can pull off in PvE. At least you get to feel like a champ besting Kirito with a pure sword build (as long as he doesn't ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ you either).

So if you hate ai that much in bob, what do you want them to be programed?

What do I want in them? A fair, true battle royale. Even that is a broad term that can be ruled in different perspectives.

Of course we can dream the perfect AI to play like humans, but even then humans band up against the biggest threats to stand a chance; the pragmatic option. AI here is no exception, they just see you as the biggest threat. You happy playing 1 vs everyone else in a battle royale game mode? No, obviously, but that is strategy. Obviously we can call unfair all we want, but in the end, limited AI programming means that this is the only way to make the game mode challenging, at least according to their logic.

Truth, not EVERY death in BoB is the ♥♥♥♥♥♥ AI. I ♥♥♥♥♥♥ up time and time again, but I can confidently say 90% of my deaths definitely don't make me think "I ♥♥♥♥♥♥ up" or "Damn, he was good". Deaths to the AI mostly boil down to getting ganged up from across the map and/or AI snap headshotting you with snipers. So if 90% of my deaths are due to that, of course I hate the AI here. But do I like this concept? Absolutely, I BOUGHT THE DLC FOR THIS.

Now let me ask you the same question then. What/How would you want them programmed?

[AN94]

Originally posted by R2X5@z8:

Originally posted by An:

So if you hate ai that much in bob, what do you want them to be programed?

What do I want in them? A fair, true battle royale. Even that is a broad term that can be ruled in different perspectives.

Of course we can dream the perfect AI to play like humans, but even then humans band up against the biggest threats to stand a chance; the pragmatic option. AI here is no exception, they just see you as the biggest threat. You happy playing 1 vs everyone else in a battle royale game mode? No, obviously, but that is strategy. Obviously we can call unfair all we want, but in the end, limited AI programming means that this is the only way to make the game mode challenging, at least according to their logic.

Truth, not EVERY death in BoB is the ♥♥♥♥♥♥ AI. I ♥♥♥♥♥♥ up time and time again, but I can confidently say 90% of my deaths definitely don't make me think "I ♥♥♥♥♥♥ up" or "Damn, he was good". Deaths to the AI mostly boil down to getting ganged up from across the map and/or AI snap headshotting you with snipers. So if 90% of my deaths are due to that, of course I hate the AI here. But do I like this concept? Absolutely, I BOUGHT THE DLC FOR THIS.

Now let me ask you the same question then. What/How would you want them programmed?

If you ask. I want them to be programed to be excaltly like human players, you will never get a fair battle as long as they are not human.

[R2X5@z8]

Originally posted by An:

If you ask. I want them to be programed to be excaltly like human players, you will never get a fair battle as long as they are not human.

So pretty much what I said then

Originally posted by Winter-Mech:

Hmmm...If you have good accessories with regeneration+avoid instance death, pure sword build can beat BoB Master Class easily. But it just need quit a lot of time beating it per round. And...I think we will become more cooler if we can fight against cooperation of Kiribot, Deathbot and LLENNbot alone with just by using a little laser toothpick sword. The only problem is Agil and Strea.....(Gatling OP!!!)

Only reason why gatling is OP in BoB is the ♥♥♥♥♥♥ Heat Detonator. Pretty much a fireball sniper from across the map always aimed at your head. Otherwise, their slow firing pace can be exploited easily, both with swords and guns.

The real threat against sword classes are launchers, since you can't block them. 9/10 of them even have Graviton Shot which just unfairly locks you in the middle while some other ♥♥♥♥ or them kills you off while you try to escape. Also most of them are tanky as hell.

[AN94]

Originally posted by R2X5@z8:

Originally posted by An:

If you ask. I want them to be programed to be excaltly like human players, you will never get a fair battle as long as they are not human.

So pretty much what I said then

Originally posted by Winter-Mech:

Hmmm...If you have good accessories with regeneration+avoid instance death, pure sword build can beat BoB Master Class easily. But it just need quit a lot of time beating it per round. And...I think we will become more cooler if we can fight against cooperation of Kiribot, Deathbot and LLENNbot alone with just by using a little laser toothpick sword. The only problem is Agil and Strea.....(Gatling OP!!!)

Only reason why gatling is OP in BoB is the ♥♥♥♥♥♥ Heat Detonator. Pretty much a fireball sniper from across the map always aimed at your head. Otherwise, their slow firing pace can be exploited easily, both with swords and guns.

The real threat against sword classes are launchers, since you can't block them. 9/10 of them even have Graviton Shot which just unfairly locks you in the middle while some other ♥♥♥♥ or them kills you off while you try to escape. Also most of them are tanky as hell.

Without tons of hp and auto head aim, the only thing i think dev can do is put them with an amr breakthrough with full damage chips + exposive shot 3 ,2,1, hide from afar and one hit you, or give them long stroke with full chips + 3 quick shot, also can one quich shot you to your body, they will have accessories with stat and avoid instant death+ health regen, and once their health get low, they will run away to heal, you want that?

[R2X5@z8]

Originally posted by Winter-Mech:

You're right about those lancher especially grenade launcer from Fukajiro. For Graviton Shot >>> just use sling shot(I forgot what's it called) to escape it. By the way...I think the most threatened for me when using sword is Agil and for other builds might be Pitohui, Sinon(This one often died before scanning...) and Death Gun especially when hyperawareness was still cooling down.

To me, top-tier threats in Master Class Final Round, regardless of weapon loadout class are

• Kirito (let's not go there)
  
• Sterben (♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ one shots plus electric spams)
  
• Musketeer X (do you love electric spams + snipers)
  
• Heavy Snipers (Sinon and Hermit)
  
• Gatling Gun Users (Agil, Strea, Arthur and Huh? with Heat Detonators)
  
• Fukaziroh (Graviton Shot + mortar dodging)
  
• Electrodynamic Stunner Spams (Commander Noir, Jonathan, Musketter X, Hermit, Sterben)
  
• Gunstinger + Shotguns (Regretful Retribution and Pitohui, one shots you unless full tank)

Originally posted by An:

Without tons of hp and auto head aim, the only thing i think dev can do is put them with an amr breakthrough with full damage chips + exposive shot 3 ,2,1, hide from afar and one hit you, or give them long stroke with full chips + 3 quick shot, also can one quich shot you to your body, they will have accessories with stat and avoid instant death+ health regen, and once their health get low, they will run away to heal, you want that?

As if Long Stroke 3 doesn't one shot you with a crit already, go look at Dyne, Argo and M. And well if that were to happen, they obviously can't keep their 30k HP ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥.

[AN94]

Originally posted by R2X5@z8:

Originally posted by Winter-Mech:

You're right about those lancher especially grenade launcer from Fukajiro. For Graviton Shot >>> just use sling shot(I forgot what's it called) to escape it. By the way...I think the most threatened for me when using sword is Agil and for other builds might be Pitohui, Sinon(This one often died before scanning...) and Death Gun especially when hyperawareness was still cooling down.

To me, top-tier threats in Master Class Final Round, regardless of weapon loadout class are

• Kirito (let's not go there)
  
• Sterben (♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ one shots plus electric spams)
  
• Musketeer X (do you love electric spams + snipers)
  
• Heavy Snipers (Sinon and Hermit)
  
• Gatling Gun Users (Agil, Strea, Arthur and Huh? with Heat Detonators)
  
• Fukaziroh (Graviton Shot + mortar dodging)
  
• Electrodynamic Stunner Spams (Commander Noir, Jonathan, Musketter X, Hermit, Sterben)
  
• Gunstinger + Shotguns (Regretful Retribution and Pitohui, one shots you unless full tank)

Originally posted by An:

Without tons of hp and auto head aim, the only thing i think dev can do is put them with an amr breakthrough with full damage chips + exposive shot 3 ,2,1, hide from afar and one hit you, or give them long stroke with full chips + 3 quick shot, also can one quich shot you to your body, they will have accessories with stat and avoid instant death+ health regen, and once their health get low, they will run away to heal, you want that?

As if Long Stroke 3 doesn't one shot you with a crit already, go look at Dyne, Argo and M. And well if that were to happen, they obviously can't keep their 30k HP ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥.

I think you are having trouble with stun and one hit from enemies, maybe you are full offensive, try lower some dex n luck and put some on your vit and agi also get sheid matrix ( avoid death when kirito is charging his thrust) status aliment resist 2 to avoid get burn, posion,stun. Bot will target you when they see you first or getting attacked by you and will not target everything else uless taking heavy damage by other bot.

[R2X5@z8]

Originally posted by An:

I think you are having trouble with stun and one hit from enemies, maybe you are full offensive, try lower some dex n luck and put some on your vit and agi also get sheid matrix ( avoid death when kirito is charging his thrust) status aliment resist 2 to avoid get burn, posion,stun. Bot will target you when they see you first or getting attacked by you and will not target everything else uless taking heavy damage by other bot.

My go-to winning build

STR = 216, VIT = 172, INT = 63, AGI = 128, DEX = 216, LUC = 52
AMR Deathwind++

• Power Form 4
  
• Bullet Line Eraser 4
  
• Explosive Shot 3
  
• Hyper Awareness

MG Bezymianny+ (dual wielded)

• Concentration 4/Speed Form 3
  
• Shield Matrix 3
  
• Human Fortress 3
  
• Replenish Gadget 3/ Hawk Eye 3

Gadgets - First Aid Kit and Anti-Ailment Kit 2, Camouflage and Anti-AR Veil
Acessories have 100% HP regen and decreased cooldowns but no instant death prevention, learned to live with it lul (and then snipers one shot me ).

This build is my winning build, 90% of my runs are successful with this. Anti-Ailment Kit 2 is spammed more than anything here due to the afromentioned stuns, and Anti-AR Veil + Replenish Gadget lets me sit behind and headshot people. Speed Form and Hawk Eye is used to farm a character. I deal with Kirito easily as Explosive Shot bypasses his Sword Barrier and I can dodge roll his sword skills. His ♥♥♥♥♥♥ Vorpal Strike though I either have to run behind him or Shield Matrix that. Hyper Awareness is saved for either Kirito or the snipers.

This build does have cons, too much STR dumped in because HMG Bravefire 3 needs 216 STR lul, low INT means my buffs last very short and as you and I said, no instant death prevention. Any other build that deviates from this is when I get into trouble and get the rage boner.

[AN94]

Originally posted by R2X5@z8:

Originally posted by An:

I think you are having trouble with stun and one hit from enemies, maybe you are full offensive, try lower some dex n luck and put some on your vit and agi also get sheid matrix ( avoid death when kirito is charging his thrust) status aliment resist 2 to avoid get burn, posion,stun. Bot will target you when they see you first or getting attacked by you and will not target everything else uless taking heavy damage by other bot.

My go-to winning build

STR = 216, VIT = 172, INT = 63, AGI = 128, DEX = 216, LUC = 52
AMR Deathwind++

• Power Form 4
  
• Bullet Line Eraser 4
  
• Explosive Shot 3
  
• Hyper Awareness

MG Bezymianny+ (dual wielded)

• Concentration 4/Speed Form 3
  
• Shield Matrix 3
  
• Human Fortress 3
  
• Replenish Gadget 3/ Hawk Eye 3

Gadgets - First Aid Kit and Anti-Ailment Kit 2, Camouflage and Anti-AR Veil
Acessories have 100% HP regen and decreased cooldowns but no instant death prevention, learned to live with it lul (and then snipers one shot me ).

This build is my winning build, 90% of my runs are successful with this. Anti-Ailment Kit 2 is spammed more than anything here due to the afromentioned stuns, and Anti-AR Veil + Replenish Gadget lets me sit behind and headshot people. Speed Form and Hawk Eye is used to farm a character. I deal with Kirito easily as Explosive Shot bypasses his Sword Barrier and I can dodge roll his sword skills. His ♥♥♥♥♥♥ Vorpal Strike though I either have to run behind him or Shield Matrix that. Hyper Awareness is saved for either Kirito or the snipers.

This build does have cons, too much STR dumped in because HMG Bravefire 3 needs 216 STR lul, low INT means my buffs last very short and as you and I said, no instant death prevention. Any other build that deviates from this is when I get into trouble and get the rage boner.

Ok, just do what suit your most, i don't care much about this bob mode anyway, just get the items i want as fast as possible and do something else.

[AN94]

Originally posted by Winter-Mech:

Originally posted by An:

Ok, just do what suit your most, i don't care much about this bob mode anyway, just get the items i want as fast as possible and do something else.

Hmmm...I have my stupid easy build that can beat BOB master class like playing on easy mode >>>

STR 191(Just for AMR breakthough3+)
VIT 255+20(Still get one headshot kill from sniper bro if stay still or while in zooming)
AGI 211(still slow as hell because of the weapon's weight)
DEX 106(Just for AMR breakthough3+)
the rest 1

I use only that sniper with power form 4 / hyper awareness / explosive shot 2,3.
For accessories >>>

VIT +20
HP regen +100%
HP restore +100%

Avoid instance death 10%
and another 2 trash chips

Gadget..........hmmm dunno. Barely use it on this build.

Just power buff and use explosive shot >>> no challenge anymore... =w=

I use lmg moon light
just run and press mouse and done, clear first round in ~40 sec, then for round 2 i just run straight to tasogare to get the long stroke