BoB balancing issues

[R2X5@z8]

How on earth is BoB balanced in any way? Multiple enemies ganging up on you with pinpoint AI headshot capabilities that can bypass invulnerability frames while taking excruciating times to kill since they will have 5 times your HP for some reason. Also not to forget is their tendency to crit every 2 shots. Especially prevalent in Master Class because "Master Class" means "Masters at Inconceivable Hacks".

If their thought of making the damn game hard is to let AI cheat like this, they should seriously look over their shoddy features. Plenty of games are challenging without these ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ mechanics and of course it can be applied to this game, but from what I experienced, dying to anyone in BoB sure as hell don't make me think "Damn, this guy is good". All my deaths feel overly cheap and it just ticks me off.

Or am I the only one having this problem? What do you guys think?

[AN94]

Why not try different builds, skills n weapons? And what lvl are you? bobs is not for offensive build, max tank build with smgs is recommended. even at 255 vit and agi, at that point my def is around 5800 with 12k of hp, that Laplacian guy in master class still can crit 7k damage to my head.

[R2X5@z8]

Level 200, running a Deathwind + Miasma Edge. How tank can I go without sacrificing headshot/crit damage? My build is pretty much high DEX (216) and mid-high VIT (182). Trying to have some LUC stat to farm slightly better rarities or should I just ditch it?

[AN94]

Originally posted by R2X5@z8:

Level 200, running a Deathwind + Miasma Edge. How tank can I go without sacrificing headshot/crit damage? My build is pretty much high DEX (216) and mid-high VIT (182). Trying to have some LUC stat to farm slightly better rarities or should I just ditch it?

if you have dlcs farm for the new smg (lmg moon light) in the demon cave, after that raise your stat str 101 for the power from 3, vit 200 for the armor from 4, int 2 for the hawk eyes skill for farming, agi 200, dex 78 to met the stats req of that gun, and put all of your cp left on your luck and it will be 232. If not farm for the sirius 3 and raise your dex more. your weapons slot only need a smg, skills will be power form 3, armor form 4, hawk eyes, shield matrix. gadget should have status aliment resistance to prevent from stun by trap or stun shot.

[R2X5@z8]

Originally posted by An:

Why not try different builds, skills n weapons? And what lvl are you? bobs is not for offensive build, max tank build with smgs is recommended. even at 255 vit and agi, at that point my def is around 5800 with 12k of hp, that Laplacian guy in master class still can crit 7k damage to my head.

And then we have Sinon and Sterben who have 12k headshot damage that flinches even if you live. Brutal in itself.

I don't know to be honest. Stacking health and defense when they can still headshot you to victory in itself sounds like a wasteful investment. Only thing is the avoid death over xx% HP, but those rarely ever come with accompanying good stats as well.

Lastly, its very hard to even attempt farming for weapons when half the time they clump up in one part of the map and proceed to turn on their hate boners the soon you enter their field. Seriously, I remember once Musketeer X was low HP and I wanted to enter the field. She proceeds to ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ turn around and stun me, leaving me to die by some kid with a pistol along with her. Like jesus, they can even stop just to debuff you and make your life miserable but for reasons beyond comprehension, withhold those debuffs in front of 5 other people.

[AN94]

Originally posted by R2X5@z8:

Originally posted by An:

Why not try different builds, skills n weapons? And what lvl are you? bobs is not for offensive build, max tank build with smgs is recommended. even at 255 vit and agi, at that point my def is around 5800 with 12k of hp, that Laplacian guy in master class still can crit 7k damage to my head.

And then we have Sinon and Sterben who have 12k headshot damage that flinches even if you live. Brutal in itself.

I don't know to be honest. Stacking health and defense when they can still headshot you to victory in itself sounds like a wasteful investment. Only thing is the avoid death over xx% HP, but those rarely ever come with accompanying good stats as well.

Lastly, its very hard to even attempt farming for weapons when half the time they clump up in one part of the map and proceed to turn on their hate boners the soon you enter their field. Seriously, I remember once Musketeer X was low HP and I wanted to enter the field. She proceeds to ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ turn around and stun me, leaving me to die by some kid with a pistol along with her. Like jesus, they can even stop just to debuff you and make your life miserable but for reasons beyond comprehension, withhold those debuffs in front of 5 other people.

run while shooting, at that massive amount of agi you can run pretty fast and avoid headshot easily

[★Brosef]

A Breakthrough + Level 3 Explosive shot usually does em in with a single shot and that doesnt even need to hit them but if they dont die they stagger to which you follow up with a normal shot and that finishes em.
It's a cheap ass tactic but considering how the AI works it's fair game in my book.

[AN94]

Originally posted by ★ Kuro:

A Breakthrough + Level 3 Explosive shot usually does em in with a single shot and that doesnt even need to hit them but if they dont die they stagger to which you follow up with a normal shot and that finishes em.
It's a cheap ass tactic but considering how the AI works it's fair game in my book.

In master class its not effective. Alot of them have human fortress and lvl 3 exposive shot + rank 9 breakthroug with 8k damage only take half of their hp bar( i deal 23k damage). And you are soo slow, put lots of strengh but you still move super slow, make you take headshot easily. And its not 1v1 or 1v6 like gold class.

[lila]

I've had no problem. Try other builds.

[Chow Yun Fat]

people always forgot the stealth skill exsist I guess ... and the cloaking device(the one you got after finish that cheap A$$ kirito mode)


go for max DEX and LUC for stats , only pick needed STR for weapon weight limit , and then INT and AGI base on the skills you want (for stealth , INT is important ,lv3 stealth needs around 100)
As for VIT , basicly can ignore since your are basicly going for "Glass Cannon" build , how many health you got shouldn'y be the point anymore


Use AMRDeathwind++ , pop those stealth ♥♥♥♥ from the start and also pop that 1 time use of "Extra life" ♥♥♥♥(Hyper sense or something? I don't know)
find accessory with LUC+ and DEX+ if you can , it helps A LOT , also those with "Avoid killing blow when HP above X%" thing for extra survivability
Let NPCs fight each other , and take the easy headshot if you had the chance
They should still fighting each other even you headshot killed someone thanks for stealth skill , but if they still targeting you , you got that free ticket poped so it should save you from getting kill , run or engage the enemy while your god mode is still active and repeat it until you are the only one standing

for the last round , pop the cloaking device whenever you can to minimize the chance you got shot , and keep doing the exact same thing like what I said above.

And you got yorself a easy win :D


For AMRBreakthrough build , just put those LUC stat else where since even with 295 luck you might got higher chance of winning lottery than making this thing crit lol
go for VIT if you want grab yourself the reload speed skill which minimize the downside of this weapon (auto reload chip to the weapon and reload speed+ chip on accessory also helps)
STR if you want power form 4 (which boost your attack by a TON)
and grab explosive shot if you think headshot is too much trouble (explosive damage doesn't give a **** about range so thats another good thing to consider as well)

and basiclly plays the same when using Deathwind except you got explosive shot as an option now if needed but with only 1 in the chamber
explosive shot3 with explosive damage chip on gun and power form 4 should give you power to 1-shot NPCs that isn't tank class ,also it IGNORE the sword barrier ,which means you can blow that "black swordsman"s A$$ wide open with it without being block by his cheat move :P


with this , the only threat to you are those sniper NPCs ,so when you see NPCs fighting each other , ALWAYS go for the sniper first (Sinon , Sterban , MusketeerX , M)

[R2X5@z8]

Originally posted by Chow Yun Fat:

people always forgot the stealth skill exsist I guess ... and the cloaking device(the one you got after finish that cheap A$$ kirito mode)


go for max DEX and LUC for stats , only pick needed STR for weapon weight limit , and then INT and AGI base on the skills you want (for stealth , INT is important ,lv3 stealth needs around 100)
As for VIT , basicly can ignore since your are basicly going for "Glass Cannon" build , how many health you got shouldn'y be the point anymore


Use AMRDeathwind++ , pop those stealth ♥♥♥♥ from the start and also pop that 1 time use of "Extra life" ♥♥♥♥(Hyper sense or something? I don't know)
find accessory with LUC+ and DEX+ if you can , it helps A LOT , also those with "Avoid killing blow when HP above X%" thing for extra survivability
Let NPCs fight each other , and take the easy headshot if you had the chance
They should still fighting each other even you headshot killed someone thanks for stealth skill , but if they still targeting you , you got that free ticket poped so it should save you from getting kill , run or engage the enemy while your god mode is still active and repeat it until you are the only one standing

for the last round , pop the cloaking device whenever you can to minimize the chance you got shot , and keep doing the exact same thing like what I said above.

And you got yorself a easy win :D


For AMRBreakthrough build , just put those LUC stat else where since even with 295 luck you might got higher chance of winning lottery than making this thing crit lol
go for VIT if you want grab yourself the reload speed skill which minimize the downside of this weapon (auto reload chip to the weapon and reload speed+ chip on accessory also helps)
STR if you want power form 4 (which boost your attack by a TON)
and grab explosive shot if you think headshot is too much trouble (explosive damage doesn't give a **** about range so thats another good thing to consider as well)

and basiclly plays the same when using Deathwind except you got explosive shot as an option now if needed but with only 1 in the chamber
explosive shot3 with explosive damage chip on gun and power form 4 should give you power to 1-shot NPCs that isn't tank class ,also it IGNORE the sword barrier ,which means you can blow that "black swordsman"s A$$ wide open with it without being block by his cheat move :P


with this , the only threat to you are those sniper NPCs ,so when you see NPCs fighting each other , ALWAYS go for the sniper first (Sinon , Sterban , MusketeerX , M)

Here is the thing though, enemies can sometimes see you through Metamaterial Camouflage and Conceal even without Hawk's Eye. Don't believe me? Go test it out yourself. Even in PvE, enemies can detect you and shoot at you with the invis. While it works occasionally, it only works occasionally, not the end all be all cheese that we intended.

AMR Breakthrough has an approximate crit chance of <0.1%. 295 LUC isn't really justified on it when I can just go AMR Deathwind which is well known to crit somewhat regularly while also allowing me to carry a decent AR for close range or my Miasma Edge to have some mobility. Also I feel it is absolutely neccesary to have Bullet Line Eraser. Enemies will make stupidly improbable rolls when you are sniping and you click the trigger. That skill at least stops them from doing so most of the time.

Lastly against snipers, I have to either rely on Human Fortress or the holographic shield, as M and Musketeer X pretty much flinches me for one headshot and I die from there. Human Fortress at least stops the flinch and raises my defense a litte (we won't talk about Sinon and Sterben). The holographic shield is also pretty much a solid defense to anything but rockets and AoE status debuffs (Musketeer X again, ugh).

P.S. ♥♥♥♥ Kirito though if you run a no Explosive Shot Build

[AN94]

Originally posted by R2X5@z8:

Originally posted by Chow Yun Fat:

people always forgot the stealth skill exsist I guess ... and the cloaking device(the one you got after finish that cheap A$$ kirito mode)


go for max DEX and LUC for stats , only pick needed STR for weapon weight limit , and then INT and AGI base on the skills you want (for stealth , INT is important ,lv3 stealth needs around 100)
As for VIT , basicly can ignore since your are basicly going for "Glass Cannon" build , how many health you got shouldn'y be the point anymore


Use AMRDeathwind++ , pop those stealth ♥♥♥♥ from the start and also pop that 1 time use of "Extra life" ♥♥♥♥(Hyper sense or something? I don't know)
find accessory with LUC+ and DEX+ if you can , it helps A LOT , also those with "Avoid killing blow when HP above X%" thing for extra survivability
Let NPCs fight each other , and take the easy headshot if you had the chance
They should still fighting each other even you headshot killed someone thanks for stealth skill , but if they still targeting you , you got that free ticket poped so it should save you from getting kill , run or engage the enemy while your god mode is still active and repeat it until you are the only one standing

for the last round , pop the cloaking device whenever you can to minimize the chance you got shot , and keep doing the exact same thing like what I said above.

And you got yorself a easy win :D


For AMRBreakthrough build , just put those LUC stat else where since even with 295 luck you might got higher chance of winning lottery than making this thing crit lol
go for VIT if you want grab yourself the reload speed skill which minimize the downside of this weapon (auto reload chip to the weapon and reload speed+ chip on accessory also helps)
STR if you want power form 4 (which boost your attack by a TON)
and grab explosive shot if you think headshot is too much trouble (explosive damage doesn't give a **** about range so thats another good thing to consider as well)

and basiclly plays the same when using Deathwind except you got explosive shot as an option now if needed but with only 1 in the chamber
explosive shot3 with explosive damage chip on gun and power form 4 should give you power to 1-shot NPCs that isn't tank class ,also it IGNORE the sword barrier ,which means you can blow that "black swordsman"s A$$ wide open with it without being block by his cheat move :P


with this , the only threat to you are those sniper NPCs ,so when you see NPCs fighting each other , ALWAYS go for the sniper first (Sinon , Sterban , MusketeerX , M)

Here is the thing though, enemies can sometimes see you through Metamaterial Camouflage and Conceal even without Hawk's Eye. Don't believe me? Go test it out yourself. Even in PvE, enemies can detect you and shoot at you with the invis. While it works occasionally, it only works occasionally, not the end all be all cheese that we intended.

AMR Breakthrough has an approximate crit chance of <0.1%. 295 LUC isn't really justified on it when I can just go AMR Deathwind which is well known to crit somewhat regularly while also allowing me to carry a decent AR for close range or my Miasma Edge to have some mobility. Also I feel it is absolutely neccesary to have Bullet Line Eraser. Enemies will make stupidly improbable rolls when you are sniping and you click the trigger. That skill at least stops them from doing so most of the time.

Lastly against snipers, I have to either rely on Human Fortress or the holographic shield, as M and Musketeer X pretty much flinches me for one headshot and I die from there. Human Fortress at least stops the flinch and raises my defense a litte (we won't talk about Sinon and Sterben). The holographic shield is also pretty much a solid defense to anything but rockets and AoE status debuffs (Musketeer X again, ugh).

P.S. ♥♥♥♥ Kirito though if you run a no Explosive Shot Build

HIs method might work but take to much time. Just do what i said and you can win faster and lazier

[Chow Yun Fat]

Originally posted by R2X5@z8:

Here is the thing though, enemies can sometimes see you through Metamaterial Camouflage and Conceal even without Hawk's Eye. Don't believe me? Go test it out yourself. Even in PvE, enemies can detect you and shoot at you with the invis. While it works occasionally, it only works occasionally, not the end all be all cheese that we intended.

ANY Stealth skills and gadget ONLY works when you are not being detected !
That means theres no use to pop it after you got spoted , and the closer you are to the enemy ,the worse the effect is ,which means even if you got it active ,stay away from enemy

Originally posted by R2X5@z8:

AMR Breakthrough has an approximate crit chance of <0.1%. 295 LUC isn't really justified on it when I can just go AMR Deathwind which is well known to crit somewhat regularly while also allowing me to carry a decent AR for close range or my Miasma Edge to have some mobility. Also I feel it is absolutely neccesary to have Bullet Line Eraser. Enemies will make stupidly improbable rolls when you are sniping and you click the trigger. That skill at least stops them from doing so most of the time.

Yeah , thats why I suggest don't put too much LUC when you wanna run with Breakthrough since the crit on it just too damn low . (which I sarcastically said "basicly winning lottery might have higher chance then make it crit")
As for a back-up weapon , I never thought about that actually ,I always rely on Snipers so the back-up I put is usually just for additional skill slot or just put a pistol there for its weapon art

As for bullet line eraser skill , I thought thats basicly essential for EVERY Sniper build so I didn't list it , although when playing PVE you don't need it that much but its a MUST for fighting AI players and real players

Originally posted by R2X5@z8:

Lastly against snipers, I have to either rely on Human Fortress or the holographic shield, as M and Musketeer X pretty much flinches me for one headshot and I die from there. Human Fortress at least stops the flinch and raises my defense a litte (we won't talk about Sinon and Sterben). The holographic shield is also pretty much a solid defense to anything but rockets and AoE status debuffs (Musketeer X again, ugh).

P.S. ♥♥♥♥ Kirito though if you run a no Explosive Shot Build

Like I said , pop the stealth things BEFORE they spot you and you won't be shot at from them (cloaking device might not work due to hawk eye skill but stealth skill still works , also hawk eye still only has limited range so you can out-range them)
With glass cannon build , getting shot is out of the question so I won't suggest Human Fortress ,but holo shield is something you can try since AI not smart enough to use explosive shot and just shoot the ground near you (which is my way of blow up M)

Originally posted by An:

HIs method might work but take to much time. Just do what i said and you can win faster and lazier

My method not "might work" It WORKS ("It just works" -Todd howard 2015)
And I don't know about faster thing since I play the game not playing a speedrun so I don't set timer , but I think your way might actually faster i guess?

Originally posted by R2X5@z8:

not the end all be all cheese that we intended.

I PLAY the game , If I'm really pissed off by the game and wanna out-play it , I'll just switch off the EAC and hack the **** out of it . lol
(Since it got soo much unnecessary grind in it , I'm actually not against of the idea to hack skip it just to play the game , still , I'm STONGLY against those who hack it to the point that you "insta-kill any boss in 1 shot with a R1 pistol "that kind of level)

P.S. I already see hacker-created stats and equipment before so I think thats possible and might actually be easy?