Beat Saber

Beat Saber

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temps Dec 3, 2023 @ 3:37pm
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Please Stop Whining
To my dismay, despite this being a fine quality gem of a VR game, I'm noticing a lot of whining in Beat Saber reviews from people complaining that this game keeps receiving DLC and prevents them from modding it. Indeed, the review average of the most recent reviews dropped from "overwhelmingly positive" as it used to be to being merely "very positive."

Yes, the price is higher than other PC VR games on Steam, yes maybe Meta did something that causes problems for modders because they want to get people to buy more DLC for Beat Saber... but frankly given the kind of company Meta is, we should be thankful they didn't make this an Oculus/Meta exclusive after they bought out the developer.

Whether you can mod it or not, it's a fun, classic, and high quality VR game so you shouldn't be giving it a negative review just because you're angry about Meta's greedy corporate nature getting in the way of you modding the game or whatever.

This kind of ungrateful attitude only makes it less likely that we will see other PC VR classics like Lone Echo 1 & 2, and Asgard's Wrath being released on Steam.
Last edited by temps; Dec 3, 2023 @ 3:41pm
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Mofezhuv Dec 4, 2023 @ 1:06pm 
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Bro is really out here defending a multi billion dollar company. They are not your friend.
Korendir19 Dec 6, 2023 @ 4:54am 
I mean I get your view here. But just looking at the fact that the player base often plays a contribution on whats added/removed to the game. Considering that the larger community uses (or used to use) custom songs, one major benefit being that they are mapped well is something the devs should consider.

You make a fair point that meta could have easily made it an exclusive, but equally so they could have kept it as a decent game. I mean if you are going to try and force people to buy your songs. Don't prevent them from using other songs, they should be focusing their effort and money in making good songs themselves.
Though another option would have been to put on mapping competitions, and so for the next dlc pack, the top 10-15 community made maps would be in it.
temps Dec 6, 2023 @ 10:49am 
The most egregious type of review I'm complaining about is these reviews that seem to overall be happy with the game, but then give it a thumbs down because they're upset about lack of modding or something. This doesn't make sense.

If a game is fun overall (even if you're upset about lack of modding), the proper review to write would be a review that is overall positive while pointing out that the game is flawed.... as opposed to writing an overall negative review because you're upset about one small flaw in an overall good quality game.

Also, Beat Saber is one of a small number of extremely high quality games we have for PC VR that sells people on buying a VR headset. If you guys trash the reviews for the game because of one small flaw, the net result will probably be less people getting into PC VR.

PC VR players need more quality games to point to to persuade more people to take the dive into VR (Half-Life: Alyx by itself doesn't do it for most people), and if you guys unfairly trash the reviews for Beat Saber because of a small perceived flaw in an overall good quality game you are going to make it less likely the public gets into PC VR in the first place, which harms the overall PC VR gaming community.
Last edited by temps; Dec 6, 2023 @ 10:51am
Gorem Dec 9, 2023 @ 9:29pm 
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To be fair, if you could not mod this game or use custom songs, no one would buy it.

The official songs are all songs made for the game, which means they are for no one. And the only way to get a few songs you might have heard before - is to pay 50% of the current price of the full game each time. Which is asking a lot.

They are a multi billion dollar company that took like 4 years to add multiplayer instead of just adding more expensive DLC to a game that doesn't have workshop support to the point they put out useless updates that no one needs just to break the mods we use that are the entire reason anyone buys this game in the first place.

Imagine if Skyrim never had the mods it needs to be as popular as it became? I have thousands of hours in there entirely due to mods and would be the same in Beat Sabre.

They just really need to let us handle it, but they won't cause they are a multi-billion dollar company that prefers us to not have fun while charging us.

That is why there will be negative reviews to a great game.
soapdodger Dec 16, 2023 @ 9:20pm 
Follow your own advice.
MrJane Dec 21, 2023 @ 1:08pm 
Imagine telling people how they should think or feel. The nerve.
temps Dec 22, 2023 @ 9:44am 
Originally posted by MrJane:
Imagine telling people how they should think or feel. The nerve.

Half of the conversations on the Steam forums are people arguing about how people should feel about whatever aspect of whatever game.
ratinox Dec 23, 2023 @ 10:39am 
Originally posted by temps:
To my dismay, despite this being a fine quality gem of a VR game, I'm noticing a lot of whining in Beat Saber reviews from people complaining that this game keeps receiving DLC and prevents them from modding it. Indeed, the review average of the most recent reviews dropped from "overwhelmingly positive" as it used to be to being merely "very positive."

Likely because newer players don't know that they *can* mod the game or how to get there. I suggest that instead of saying "don't whine", point them to StepS guide to installing older versions of Beat Saber that can be modded. Of course, that doesn't help when the "reviews" have comments disabled but really isn't much to be done about that.
KalitaNite Jan 2, 2024 @ 3:56pm 
Originally posted by temps:
To my dismay, despite this being a fine quality gem of a VR game, I'm noticing a lot of whining in Beat Saber reviews from people complaining that this game keeps receiving DLC and prevents them from modding it. Indeed, the review average of the most recent reviews dropped from "overwhelmingly positive" as it used to be to being merely "very positive."

Yes, the price is higher than other PC VR games on Steam, yes maybe Meta did something that causes problems for modders because they want to get people to buy more DLC for Beat Saber... but frankly given the kind of company Meta is, we should be thankful they didn't make this an Oculus/Meta exclusive after they bought out the developer.

Whether you can mod it or not, it's a fun, classic, and high quality VR game so you shouldn't be giving it a negative review just because you're angry about Meta's greedy corporate nature getting in the way of you modding the game or whatever.

This kind of ungrateful attitude only makes it less likely that we will see other PC VR classics like Lone Echo 1 & 2, and Asgard's Wrath being released on Steam.

isnt this whining too?
DaLe Jan 6, 2024 @ 4:59pm 
Not sure how it is supposed to help VR gaming, when "such a top VR game" is like: "Wanna play for 3 minutes? Insert a big coin for a song." - That's rather off-putting, isn't it?

I did get me a VR headset regardless of this game. And as it turns out, there is Moon Rider XYZ. Might not be as neat, but cool experience.

And by the way, there will likely be more AAA type of games for VR, once the hardware performance of VR headsets improves, at a reasonable price. As it is, it does take having a good PC (/GPU) to go farther than what many a headset can do by itself. That's way more a hurdle in regard to seeing "more potential customers for all VR software devs/publishers", than some reviews for one game in particular.
temps Jan 7, 2024 @ 10:22pm 
Originally posted by DaLe:
Not sure how it is supposed to help VR gaming, when "such a top VR game" is like: "Wanna play for 3 minutes? Insert a big coin for a song." - That's rather off-putting, isn't it?

It isn't even like that. You can play the game and all the music on it as much as you want after you buy it. It's a hypothetical situation that has little connection with reality.

And as other posters have alluded to, the updates don't even necessarily break mods if you learn about installing older versions of the game.

Also, the likely outcome of you guys posting negative reviews for Beat Saber because of Meta annoying you by releasing music packs won't be Meta leaving the game on Steam without releasing music packs as you want... the likely result will be Meta taking the game off of Steam and making it exclusive to the Meta store, which screws the PC VR community who want to play the game on Steam rather than Meta.

So your whining will literally never accomplish your goals because the only reason Meta leaves this game on Steam is probably to sell music packs (notice this is the only Meta/Oculus-owned game released on Steam), and you leaving negative reviews on Steam only hurts PC VR by making the game look worse to normies who refuse to buy VR headsets because "there aren't enough good VR games."

So your whining has no hope of accomplishing anything and only hurts PC VR and SteamVR.
Last edited by temps; Jan 7, 2024 @ 10:33pm
DaLe Jan 8, 2024 @ 6:07am 
So what you are saying is that you can install an older version of the game, but that it does go against the interest of Meta to sell music packs, huh? And if they don't make enough money from these music packs, that they will pull the game from Steam, huh? So, basically no one should install an older version of the game, as that may mean the end of VR gaming on Steam, huh? :)

Anyhow, I don't mind paying some for DLCs. But for the price of the game plus one music pack, I can get two solid VR games from other studios, who may be using the revenue for sequels. And if there are problems with these games, I don't see why I should not point out such in a review. At least I gave it a try, instead of just assuming that every other VR game on Steam can't compare to Meta published stuff.

And not saying, that it wouldn't be nice, if more Meta games made it to Steam. And the actual argument behind the price of these music packs would be about licenses. But it simply is more of a free market here - and I think that it is a problem for adaptation of VR gaming by the masses, when a "banger" is like: "Well, after the price for the headset, there is 10% on top of that for less than two hours of content."

I mean, good for you, if that is not an issue at all. But some people do have to keep an eye on what money is being spent on. And if e.g. a cup of coffee for $10 is simply too expensive for some, insisting that it is the best coffee ever though and that even Mr Zuckerberg drinks it in his luxury bunker in Hawaii, that doesn't change the fact, that it is still quite an expense for many. And that doesn't help the sales of coffee, when it looks like that every coffee is only something for the very wealthy (as barely anyone will enter a coffee shop / VR gaming, when the impression from the "most known" is that it comes quickly with a lot more money to be spent for a bit of playtime.
Jehuty56 Jan 20, 2024 @ 11:33am 
The fact that i can't play this game without updating and ♥♥♥♥♥♥ up all my mods everytime i want to play the game make me want to stop playing so yeah, i understand them
temps Jan 21, 2024 @ 4:33am 
Originally posted by Jehuty56:
The fact that i can't play this game without updating and ♥♥♥♥♥♥ up all my mods everytime i want to play the game make me want to stop playing so yeah, i understand them

You apparently just don't know how to manage updates. :steammocking:
ChibiArcher Jan 21, 2024 @ 8:07am 
Originally posted by Jehuty56:
The fact that i can't play this game without updating and ♥♥♥♥♥♥ up all my mods everytime i want to play the game make me want to stop playing so yeah, i understand them
you can go to properties and select the legacy built from the Beta dropdown menu. than your mods will work and you don't have to update anymore
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