Question about mods before I buy the game

[Nameless Tree]

I'm finally in a position financially that I can afford to get a VR headset (with a PC to support it) and I'm still trying to figure out which headset to buy. I've read discussions and watched Youtube videos on the best (or "best") ones out right now but a subject I haven't really seen touched on is modding. Is there one headset that is better able to download and manage Beat Saber mods and custom songs over the others?

[LeChoobie]

The headset doesn't really matter when it comes to managing mods, that all comes down to the pc you have. The most popular one when it comes to Beat Saber is the Oculus Quest 2. So I would recommend that one. You can also get a second hand CV1 from somewhere (2nd hand bc it is no longer being made) because many Beat Saber players also use it.

[Over50*Dancing*Tomboy*DLC+]

Oculus??? LMAO Total crap. If you like being frustrated, go ahead. Spend a little more and get WAY better equipment. Search the forums and read the reviews

[Vespertellino]

I wouldn't recommend CV1, as I've almost exclusively played BeatSaber, 200hrs in an the cable is nearly dead, with no way to replace it (unless you wanna buy an extremely overpriced one from Ebay, almost 1/2 price of the headset itself lol)

[Nameless Tree]

Originally posted by LeChoobie 🎱:

The headset doesn't really matter when it comes to managing mods, that all comes down to the pc you have. The most popular one when it comes to Beat Saber is the Oculus Quest 2. So I would recommend that one. You can also get a second hand CV1 from somewhere (2nd hand bc it is no longer being made) because many Beat Saber players also use it.

Thank you for the succinct answer. I admit, mods are more important to me in a headset (and games in general) than they probably should be.

[Nameless Tree]

Originally posted by 1969Dancing*Tomboy*DLC+:

Oculus??? LMAO Total crap. If you like being frustrated, go ahead. Spend a little more and get WAY better equipment. Search the forums and read the reviews

Okay. Why is it crap? What is the way better equipment? I'm not trying to argue here, I'm still doing research because I have yet to settle on a particular VR system.

[Nameless Tree]

Originally posted by Vespertellino:

I wouldn't recommend CV1, as I've almost exclusively played BeatSaber, 200hrs in an the cable is nearly dead, with no way to replace it (unless you wanna buy an extremely overpriced one from Ebay, almost 1/2 price of the headset itself lol)

Good to know, thanks. The Rift hadn't really grabbed my attention in the first place, any version, but I will probably stay away from it.

[Kriltos]

ive owned a HTC vive Pro sold it and now have Oculus 2. I found i wasn't using VR much and if i'm honest, they're both equally as good as one another. the HTC NEEDS a pc to run, where as the O2 doesn't. but it can also use the PC. IMO, go O2 but make sure you have the hardware and correct data cable to play (5GB data transfer) and you wont see a drop in performance, specially if you're on a budget. Hope that helps.

[Tigger619]

I sold my Vive for a Quest 2 which delivered far more pros than cons for me personally.

+Quest 2 looks better.
+You can play Beat Saber and mod it with or without a VR ready PC.
+Quest 2 you can play PCVR wireless easily.
-Vive you can add trackers easily.

Other headsets I'm not too sure about but the freedom of movement with very little set up is what sells Q2. I would only upgrade with the next best wireless headset.

[ttv/VirtuallyBob™]

I own most of the current gen HMD (no Pimax) and IMO, the best entry level HMD is the Q2. The best overall is the Index.

Looking forward to the PSVR2, Q3 (or whatever its gonna be called) and the Index 2

[Nameless Tree]

I'm seeing a lot of good things about the Oculus 2. I haven't seen many cons, here or elsewhere, so I may end up going with that.

[AusSkiller]

How does the Quest 2 hold up on Expert+ levels with super fast turned on? My old HTC Vive had trouble keeping up on some levels, though I've since upgraded to an Index and that works great, but I doubt camera based tracking could keep up. Though I expect Quest 2 would be very good until you get to Expert+ so not a bad buy for a first VR headset.

[ttv/VirtuallyBob™]

The Quest 2 is fantastic and the best entry level HMD, but like all VR HMDs, it aint perfect.

PROS ****

-WIRELESS BABY! ---- its great not having to deal with a cable. You can freakin play it OUTSIDE if you wanted to!

-Wired VR ---- you can connect it to your VR-Ready PC with a special USB-C cable for a wired experience

-Screen res ---- NICE and you can to 120Hz (where supported)

-Microphone ---- the built-in mic is not bad at all

-Controllers ---- very good, feel great and has USER replaceable batteries

-Quest Store ---- no need for a PC as it has its own storefront, with some games being crossbuy with the Oculus Rift store (purchase 1 game, get it on both platforms)

-Multi-Platform ---- if you have a VR-Ready PC, you have the ability to play games from the Oculus Rift, Steam VR and Viveport storefronts too.



CONS ****

-Wireless signal ---- no matter what anyone tries to tell you, you will experience some lag or dropouts eventually if you are playing PCVR with it (depends on factors like your PC's wifi, your router etc)

-Inside out tracking ---- while fantastic if the built-in cameras can see your controllers (and you dont hold them too close to your face), they will lose tracking after about 3 seconds out of camera view. You can compensate by always being aware of what the camera can see

-Grey levels ---- there are NO blacks levels in the display, the darkest being a very dark grey. Not noticeable in games with lots of bright colors on-screen (Beat Saber) but if the game is just made up of night time levels, no deep blacks for you!. The Quest 1 featured an OLED screen and the blacks were gorgeous in that display, just a lower res.

-Speakers ---- think of the crappiest sounding, dollar store speakers you've heard. Now, pretend that sound is being blasted at you through a tin can. Thats the sound experience on the Quest 2. A pair of headphones is def required for a decent soundscape.

-Cheap, stock headstrap ---- will hurt your ears over time. You will def need to replace this.

-IPD ---- there are only THREE settings (5 if you can nudge the selector between the others). Essentially, you could experience dizziness, nausea or tired eyes if your eyes dont like the options given to you

-FOV ---- the FOV of the Q2 is just 'OK.' Its better than the HP Reverb G2 v1, but I was spoiled with the Samsung Odyssey+ and Index.

-Facebook and mobile phone integration ---- you WILL need a phone for the initial setup. Additionally, you WILL need a Facebook account in order to use the Quest 2. If you FB account is banned, you will lose access to any games your purchased from the store. Additionally, the reason the Quest 2 is so cheap (besides Facebook cutting corners in the hardware - ie, IPD, speakers, headstrap) is that they will be using your data. The business edition of the Quest 2 is priced at $800, so you are basically selling your soul to Facebook for $500+. me? I already have a FB account so it doesnt bother me, but it should be stated for those how value how their personal data is used.

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There are prob more PROS/CONS but I cant think of them at the moment. Regarding the wireless/cable debate (omg... who would use a cable... ewww), umm... the cable is fine, its just another way to play. Wireless/wired, its all the same to me (NGL, it is fun to play wirelessly anywhere in the house)

Again, the Quest 2 is a great entry level intro to the world of VR. If you purchase one, you will have loads of fun!

[Wylie28]

Originally posted by ttv/VirtuallyBob:

The Quest 2 is fantastic and the best entry level HMD, but like all VR HMDs, it aint perfect.

PROS
-WIRELESS BABY! - its great not having to deal with a cable. You can freakin play it OUTSIDE if you wanted to!
-Wired VR - you can connect it to your VR-Ready PC with a special USB-C cable for a wired experience
-Screen res - NICE and you can to 120Hz (where supported)
-Microphone - the built-in mic is not bad at all
-Controllers - very good, feel great and has USER replaceable batteries
-Quest Store - no need for a PC as it has its own storefront, with some games being crossbuy with the Oculus Rift store (purchase 1 game, get it on both platforms)
-Multi-Platform - if you have a VR-Ready PC, you have the ability to play games from the Oculus Rift, Steam VR and Viveport storefronts too.

CONS
-Wireless signal - no matter what anyone tries to tell you, you will experience some lag or dropouts eventually if you are playing PCVR with it (depends on factors like your PC's wifi, your router etc)
-Inside out tracking - while fantastic if the built-in cameras can see your controllers (and you dont hold them too close to your face), they will lose tracking after about 3 seconds out of camera view. You can compensate by always being aware of what the camera can see
-Grey levels - there are NO blacks levels in the display, the darkest being a very dark grey. Not noticeable in games with lots of bright colors on-screen (Beat Saber) but if the game is just made up of night time levels, no deep blacks for you!. The Quest 1 featured an OLED screen and the blacks were gorgeous in that display, just a lower res.
-Speakers - think of the crappiest sounding, dollar store speakers you've heard. Now, pretend that sound is being blasted at you through a tin can. Thats the sound experience on the Quest 2. A pair of headphones is def required for a decent soundscape.
-Cheap, stock headstrap - will hurt your ears over time. You will def need to replace this.
IPD - there are only THREE settings (5 if you can nudge the selector between the others). Essentially, you could experience dizziness, nausea or tired eyes if your eyes dont like the options given to you
Facebook and mobile phone integration - you WILL need a phone for the initial setup. Additionally, you WILL need a Facebook account in order to use the Quest 2. If you FB account is banned, you will lose access to any games your purchased from the store. Additionally, the reason the Quest 2 is so cheap (besides Facebook cutting corners in the hardware - ie, IPD, speakers, headstrap) is that they will be using your data. The business edition of the Quest 2 is priced at $800, so you are basically selling your soul to Facebook for $500+. me? I already have a FB account so it doesnt bother me, but it should be stated for those how value how their personal data is used.

There are prob more PROS/CONS but I cant think of them at the moment. Regarding the wireless/cable debate (omg... who would use a cable... ewww), umm... the cable is fine, its just another way to play. Wireless/wired, its all the same to me (NGL, it is fun to play wirelessly anywhere in the house)

Again, the Quest 2 is a great entry level intro to the world of VR. If you purchase one, you will have loads of fun!

Also the quest 2's visuals are massively downgraded in PCVR mode. To the point to where it looks worse than the Rift S. I originally had the idea of "upgrading" to the Quest 2 until I actually used one with a PCVR game. My Rift S has noticeably better visual quality. Id love a FOV change, but at the end of the day, 5 minutes into a game, I stop noticing. But low quality visuals right in front of my focal point? That never stops being something I see. Epecially in PCVR games that are ports, you can barely ready the interfaces in Elites Dangerous's menu's on a quest 2

[ttv/VirtuallyBob™]

Originally posted by Wylie28:

Id love a FOV change...

OMG! Thanks for the reminder - I'll update my list with this CON too:

The FOV of the Q2 is just 'OK.' Its better than the HP Reverb G2 v1, but I was spoiled with the Samsung Odyssey+ and Index.

[Bichigusomaru]

Just to add to the discussion, if you're looking for higher FoV headsets and don't mind tweaking a few settings to get stuff working, Pimax is by far better than other headsets. I own a Pimax 5k+ and an Index, and the Index's fov still doesn't even really compare to the Pimax.

Beat saber is one of those games FoV can make a big difference. I don't know how many times on other headsets I've missed a note as it went by and couldn't see it anymore - but with the Pimax's you can see the notes as they move toward your side.

I'd argue the only plus the Quest 2 has over the rest is wireless, and you definitely don't need wireless for beat saber. You basically only need wireless for games where you move around fast, or your ceiling is low so you can't hang the wire from the ceiling. If beat saber is your main motive, it's not worth it.

As an edit, inside-out tracking might not work fully for faster songs.